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Building the Future of Ruby Through Community

Mariusz Kozieł • November 13, 2024 • Chicago, IL • Talk

In the presentation titled "Building the Future of Ruby Through Community," Mariusz Kozieł, the CEO of Visuality and a well-versed participant in the Ruby community, emphasizes the importance of grassroots community efforts in sustaining the Ruby ecosystem. He recounts his personal journey with Ruby, which began 14 years ago, and describes how a desire to reinvigorate local meetups led to a broader movement across Europe.

Key points discussed in the video include:

  • Community Engagement: Kozieł highlights the transformative role that local meetups have in fostering a supportive environment for Ruby developers, citing his experience in reactivating meetups in cities like Wrocław, Amsterdam, and Barcelona.
  • Reinvigoration of Ruby Europe: There is a mention of the "Ruby Europe" initiative aimed at establishing connections between communities across different cities, promoting speaker exchanges, and assisting in organizing meetups to combat the decline that followed the pandemic.
  • Real-life Examples: Kozieł shares inspiring anecdotes, such as how the meetups have influenced the careers of attendees, helping them become speakers at larger conferences like Euro.
  • Education and Mentorship: He discusses the need for introducing new developers into the Ruby ecosystem and mentions initiatives like supporting Rails Girls workshops and creating mentorship programs.
  • Call to Action: He encourages attendees to participate in local meetups, share knowledge within their companies, and invite friends to join the community.

Kozieł emphasizes that community gatherings are essential for exposing developers to new ideas and practices, facilitating networking opportunities, and encouraging individuals to share their expertise through speaking engagements. His overarching message is that by collectively fostering a vibrant community, the future of Ruby can be assured and continually rejuvenated.

In conclusion, the talk underscores the integral role of community in the growth and sustainability of the Ruby programming language, inviting developers to actively contribute to their local scenes while connecting across broader European networks.

Building the Future of Ruby Through Community
Mariusz Kozieł • November 13, 2024 • Chicago, IL • Talk

Discover how Ruby Europe is creating a stronger Ruby ecosystem by prioritizing community development. Explore real-life examples of how community initiatives have transformed careers, inspired projects, and sparked innovations. See how each of us can play a vital role in shaping the future of Ruby.

RubyConf 2024

00:00:15.080 hello everybody it's great that you're
00:00:16.880 here
00:00:18.119 welcome uh what happened if the next
00:00:21.039 generation of Ruby next generation of
00:00:23.599 developer choose Ruby and how we can
00:00:25.400 achieve that goal and how Ruby how
00:00:29.119 meetups have this important role of the
00:00:32.239 sustain and energize the technology I'll
00:00:35.040 be talking about that today uh in my
00:00:37.559 presentation I'm marish kuu I am a CEO
00:00:40.760 of visuality visuality is a software
00:00:43.239 house so it's a software house it's we
00:00:45.680 name it only in Poland it's a software
00:00:48.520 agency specializing of course in Ruby on
00:00:51.719 Rails and I'm former CTO of that company
00:00:54.840 I really I really like to highlight that
00:00:57.039 I was a c CTO because my my friend who
00:01:00.559 has the similar puth as I had say that
00:01:03.399 we was degradated to be a CEO it's F
00:01:06.920 kind of true and you can ask what I am
00:01:10.320 doing
00:01:11.479 here and my journey
00:01:14.360 start 14 years ago with Ruby and that
00:01:17.479 time I'm visiting was Ruby user group
00:01:20.400 and learning a lot from there and that
00:01:23.720 time I I was also really uh scary to
00:01:27.479 talk to people and networking so I don't
00:01:30.040 be like marage that time but really my
00:01:32.119 story started two and a half year ago
00:01:34.680 when in visuality as a software agency
00:01:37.600 Consulting agency really care about
00:01:39.560 quality and we had really good process
00:01:42.040 inside the company to share knowledge we
00:01:43.840 decided to return back to the
00:01:46.799 community and we started with visiting
00:01:50.840 local meetups and making
00:01:52.719 presentations and conferences and after
00:01:55.320 that we realized that there is a need to
00:01:57.240 reactivate Meetup in waro so we
00:01:59.399 reactivated meet up in Oro and from
00:02:02.039 there it went wild so after a year later
00:02:08.160 we run our first conference it was an on
00:02:10.560 anniversary of our Meetup it's a
00:02:12.800 conference with really long name
00:02:14.599 everybody complaining about that and now
00:02:16.680 I understand that it's a ruby waso
00:02:18.959 Community Conference and now we even
00:02:21.959 want to change the place to kco so it
00:02:23.879 will be also Community Conference in CCO
00:02:26.360 I don't know maybe or we around it we'll
00:02:29.319 see we already Run free conferences
00:02:31.760 because we are doing that every six
00:02:33.840 month and in the meantime we establish
00:02:37.560 polish User Group to help Polish
00:02:40.159 Community to exchange speaker it was our
00:02:42.440 primary goal and to group all those
00:02:45.280 people in one
00:02:47.200 Discord and from there Poland was done
00:02:52.159 and I was like addicted with the Ruby
00:02:54.640 what do more where to go next and we
00:02:59.239 visited our client in Amsterdam why not
00:03:02.200 run meet up there so we have helped to
00:03:04.879 with Amsterdam RB to run meet up and we
00:03:07.000 bring the presentation and two workshops
00:03:08.879 and we on meet up there and we met a lot
00:03:11.239 of new friends there and after that I
00:03:15.239 have helped to establish Barcelona RB
00:03:18.040 Meetup there was nothing before and in
00:03:20.440 the middle of the conference I talked
00:03:22.400 with Eleni that he is living in
00:03:24.280 Barcelona but there is no meetups and he
00:03:26.120 would like to have it there and he said
00:03:29.599 that
00:03:30.640 he don't know how to do that I said I
00:03:32.280 know I can help you and we did that and
00:03:34.640 we have shave or on on our meet up 45
00:03:39.879 people and it was great and this point
00:03:42.920 lead me
00:03:44.280 to to to this need that there is a need
00:03:47.879 to establish something like Ruby Central
00:03:50.760 but inside Europe to help this community
00:03:52.799 to grow to help Community to revive
00:03:56.680 after the pandemic because there is
00:03:58.200 still still so many places which are
00:04:00.480 which don't have local meetups but let's
00:04:03.439 come back to the root of problem so who
00:04:06.239 know
00:04:08.760 euru it's the biggest European
00:04:11.760 conference it's a conference which take
00:04:15.159 place 21 years it's a conference which
00:04:18.560 change host and the city every every
00:04:21.800 year and there was 17 cities and as you
00:04:26.280 can imagine this conference the biggest
00:04:28.080 conference changed people career
00:04:30.240 and life and it's it's gathered
00:04:33.360 Community around those cities so all
00:04:35.160 those cities had a community Ruby
00:04:36.759 committee and active meup St but you
00:04:39.120 know what now we have only seven of them
00:04:43.600 and of course pandemic hit has hard but
00:04:46.919 it's even worse because there's only
00:04:49.320 three really active one from those
00:04:51.240 cities which had euru and Barcelona is a
00:04:54.120 freshly revived
00:04:56.240 One Amsterdam even if they had rails
00:04:59.240 world they run only two meetups last uh
00:05:02.720 this year and vus also struggle with
00:05:06.680 with speakers and there is a need of
00:05:10.039 help so why it's like that pandemic of
00:05:13.639 course we not but it was long time ago
00:05:16.840 it should show up but is it hard to run
00:05:20.000 a Meetup I believe it's not that hard
00:05:22.800 and everybody of you can do that and but
00:05:26.199 it's difficult to sustain the meup to to
00:05:30.319 do it every month because you have to
00:05:32.560 think about it immediately on that
00:05:35.160 Meetup you have to think kind of about
00:05:36.840 the next one because you have to bring
00:05:38.479 new speakers you have to bring maybe new
00:05:40.759 venue or the
00:05:42.319 sponsors so you have to find your
00:05:44.560 purpose why to do
00:05:46.280 that and we would like to help with that
00:05:49.639 and as a ruby Europe we want to bring a
00:05:52.120 tools we want to bring fix those
00:05:55.160 problems so help to uh to promote those
00:05:58.960 those meetups help organizer uh prep be
00:06:03.720 prepar how to do that and how to sustain
00:06:06.639 those meetups and how to find speakers
00:06:10.520 and how to speak in
00:06:13.199 general and I would like to bring
00:06:17.280 um few only few examples why that's
00:06:20.440 important to have those meetups to have
00:06:22.360 this community in your city and it's an
00:06:24.880 example from the first year of uh woro
00:06:28.400 meetups how much we have learned from in
00:06:31.479 this one year I think it's the major
00:06:35.639 point for a lot of us so we have two
00:06:38.039 topics about the Hotwire we have four
00:06:40.360 topics about doand driven design one
00:06:42.639 about race even store and three topics
00:06:44.680 about Dom driven design architecture in
00:06:46.560 pure Ruby on rail application we have
00:06:49.199 three topics about domain databases and
00:06:52.440 those some of them was a really deep one
00:06:54.919 and we have two topics about how to
00:06:57.039 write test and test optimization and we
00:07:00.319 brought those idea to our clients and we
00:07:03.680 helped them save money on their CI
00:07:06.120 thanks to that and there was so many
00:07:08.680 other other uh topics on in only this
00:07:13.560 one year uh and I believe that it's
00:07:17.479 really low effort to meet for two to
00:07:20.039 four hours every month to talk with the
00:07:23.080 friends and drink beer and eat pizza or
00:07:26.680 barbecue and it's great here's is a QR
00:07:30.240 code we recorded most of that videos
00:07:33.599 from from our Meetup and you can see
00:07:36.759 it's there I really like this quote the
00:07:40.599 fastest way to change yourself is to
00:07:42.400 hang out with people who are who are
00:07:45.000 already the way you want to be our
00:07:47.800 community and as you can see here on
00:07:50.479 this conference all those speakers are
00:07:53.599 really open you can talk to everybody
00:07:55.720 there and you can talk to Aon pteron and
00:07:57.759 ask him any question
00:08:00.960 and talk to
00:08:02.919 him and I always really like to bring
00:08:06.199 this photo which which is generated by
00:08:10.120 AI we are like smiling with red noses
00:08:13.919 and red eyes and it's even doesn't
00:08:15.840 matter that the cold is on the opposite
00:08:18.199 side of the
00:08:23.159 screen we are a great community and on
00:08:27.360 my journey When I visit a lot of
00:08:29.960 conference I have met multiple friends I
00:08:33.080 have friends in zurri Paris Berlin uh
00:08:37.760 vus Bucharest and I know that I can call
00:08:41.000 them when I will be there and they will
00:08:42.479 meet with
00:08:44.480 me so here is a we created a ruby Europe
00:08:48.720 site where we put all meetups and the
00:08:51.399 conferences on on the map and this a
00:08:54.800 States from uh almost two months ago
00:08:57.680 when I first presenting on the uh on the
00:09:01.200 Euro conference and here's the states of
00:09:04.560 current so there are more already I'm
00:09:06.880 not sure that you see that but our
00:09:09.640 mission is to bring those meetups into
00:09:13.120 the create those communities in those
00:09:16.120 biggest cities in Europe and connect
00:09:19.720 those cities with each other to to
00:09:24.120 exchange speakers to exchange sponsors
00:09:26.399 to to share knowledge between between
00:09:29.680 each other and share people also and
00:09:32.600 attend this and create this exchange
00:09:36.600 exchange speakers program how cool is to
00:09:40.399 go to another city to talk on the on the
00:09:42.760 Meetup and we would like to help with
00:09:45.480 that so currently we have more and more
00:09:49.720 conferences more and more meetups which
00:09:52.240 is great but I believe that we meet more
00:09:54.720 this month there will be 41 meetups in
00:09:57.800 in November 2024
00:10:00.399 worldwide which is great but I believe
00:10:02.480 that we need more and we need this take
00:10:05.800 this momentum and run more and more and
00:10:09.519 keep going with the community but why
00:10:12.760 these small Gatherings are that
00:10:15.440 important I believe it's a best place
00:10:18.720 you are your exposure to the new ideas
00:10:22.880 new tools new best practices and
00:10:25.000 everything which is in in those
00:10:26.880 presentation and those exposures
00:10:28.519 inspires you maybe you can bring your
00:10:30.240 own idea for the presentation for the
00:10:32.519 lighting talk or for the open source or
00:10:35.680 maybe you you will create your own
00:10:38.240 startup and there you can find the the
00:10:42.320 friends the closest friends because you
00:10:43.959 are meeting every month with those
00:10:47.440 people and you can find a coworker there
00:10:49.800 or co-founder of your of your
00:10:53.360 startup and it's also the best place to
00:10:56.360 start your journey with the speaking
00:10:59.720 I really convince you to do that to
00:11:01.920 bring maybe lighting talk and it's the
00:11:04.360 best place to bring it into the your
00:11:06.320 city it's a small column environment
00:11:09.000 where you can speak and I have so many
00:11:11.639 examples from my hood for example myself
00:11:14.360 I was like two and a half year ago when
00:11:16.920 we started with four so meetups I was
00:11:18.800 like freezed and panicked I pushed my
00:11:21.639 friend to go welcome people because I
00:11:23.720 was I was too afraid to do that and now
00:11:26.480 I'm doing that I'm still nervous of
00:11:28.959 course
00:11:30.240 uh but I'm doing that uh the second
00:11:33.279 example we one of our attendees on our
00:11:35.519 Meetup we even didn't know about it it
00:11:37.959 was a BOS blink who is created of webm
00:11:40.680 he was inspired by shave Nora on our
00:11:43.240 conference and he decided to show webm
00:11:46.240 Mo like shaveer did uh by going through
00:11:49.600 the through the webm step by step and he
00:11:54.279 did it for us and after that he was a
00:11:56.959 speaker on the Euro conference where
00:11:58.920 there was was 700 people and other other
00:12:03.000 example Ros from Super Channel he come
00:12:06.519 to us on the first Meetup and he asked
00:12:08.600 to be a speaker on the second one and it
00:12:11.360 was his first presentation offline and
00:12:15.199 immediately on this Meetup he was
00:12:16.760 invited to be a speaker on the Ros is a
00:12:20.040 old old conference in in VW Poland is a
00:12:24.519 senior level conference and he was there
00:12:27.040 a speaker and after that he was invited
00:12:28.920 to a speaker on the rails world I
00:12:32.040 believe that he don't have a problem to
00:12:34.160 find a job and it's also important part
00:12:36.680 if you show up if you show your
00:12:38.839 expertise if you are if you are uh
00:12:42.440 capable to do that it's also really
00:12:44.720 really important and it's not only about
00:12:47.480 speaking it's there are also stories
00:12:50.240 from my hood how people started their
00:12:52.720 own uh company for
00:12:56.240 example but our second filler of the
00:12:59.800 Ruby Europe is because how to sustain
00:13:03.120 the the community without new Ruby folks
00:13:06.800 without Juniors we need this fresh blood
00:13:10.040 like a vampires so we decided to also
00:13:14.160 help with
00:13:15.480 that and we have some ideas for example
00:13:19.839 help rails girls to run their workshops
00:13:22.839 again because in 2029 there was
00:13:26.720 49 49 workshops worldwi wi in 2023 there
00:13:31.079 was 12 of them and this year there was
00:13:33.440 only six of them so we want to help them
00:13:37.560 find teachers help them find
00:13:40.320 sponsors and to run those workshops
00:13:44.320 again we also would like to prepare an
00:13:47.199 online course in visuality we we created
00:13:50.560 a visuality Academia and there it was
00:13:53.079 7th month uh online boot camp it's it
00:13:58.079 was with up and down of course but at
00:14:00.199 the last stage there was nine people who
00:14:02.079 was really really great and we couldn't
00:14:04.600 hire all of them but we hired some of
00:14:06.680 them and two of
00:14:08.079 them created a workshops on our last
00:14:11.040 conference one of the workshops was
00:14:13.360 about Kamal and the second one was about
00:14:15.880 Hotwire so the news in Ruby on Rails and
00:14:19.199 I'm really proud of it and I believe
00:14:22.199 that we can we can bring new other Ruby
00:14:25.600 developers into the market we can create
00:14:27.880 a mentorship program or we can help to
00:14:30.480 those which are already there and we
00:14:34.040 need to connect existing boot camps with
00:14:37.279 existing communities because when I was
00:14:39.440 in the Leon office in Amsterdam
00:14:43.680 the the group lead don't even know that
00:14:47.480 there is an active Community there
00:14:50.560 and we have to connect we we need to
00:14:54.199 those people need to know that there is
00:14:55.720 an active Community after that that they
00:14:57.680 have to show up after this boot camp and
00:15:00.240 they have a place to to learn and in a
00:15:04.320 reverse we need to help these boot camps
00:15:07.360 because they are also uh most of the
00:15:10.199 boot camps are already switched to
00:15:11.519 python or other Technologies and we have
00:15:13.320 to support those which still learning
00:15:17.279 Ruby and our plan as for Ruby Europe for
00:15:20.839 2024 was was my in my opinion wild and
00:15:25.160 we achieve all of them in all in two
00:15:28.759 months so it's already a
00:15:30.680 success we last week we run Spain
00:15:34.000 triangle project which was the series of
00:15:36.240 meetups in in Spain we visited freshly
00:15:38.920 activated Barcelona RB but we also
00:15:40.759 activated Valencia and Madrid and in on
00:15:44.279 each Meetup there was 45 plus people and
00:15:48.240 we connect all those organizers speakers
00:15:51.319 there to to exchange speakers exchange
00:15:54.839 sponsors and help each other and I
00:15:56.839 believe we have to do it every to to
00:16:00.040 help those communities be
00:16:02.079 active and I'm the type of guy who is
00:16:07.319 traveling and checking if there is a
00:16:08.920 meet up there so I was in the New York
00:16:10.839 City after the rails World in Toronto
00:16:13.600 and I reach out to existing Community
00:16:17.720 there New York City RB and we run the
00:16:20.800 Meetup uh with New York City RB Europe
00:16:24.319 and New York City on the rails and it
00:16:26.720 was huge people really like it and they
00:16:29.319 show up it was their first meet up
00:16:32.399 offline because they are doing that
00:16:34.639 online and people was really really
00:16:37.440 happy and people ask me why Ruby Europe
00:16:41.680 in h in US market why you are here and
00:16:46.160 because we are doing we are in the we
00:16:48.639 have the same Mission it's not that it's
00:16:50.360 only European Mission we have we we can
00:16:53.720 work everywhere and it's even bring some
00:16:57.120 new ideas and some who's here he brought
00:17:01.120 the idea he was so happy that there is
00:17:03.360 an offline Meetup that he decided to try
00:17:06.319 to push all those old organizer or maybe
00:17:08.959 create new to run the meetups in
00:17:11.400 Washington Philadelphia Boston and New
00:17:14.160 York and exchange speakers
00:17:16.280 there so we also created Ruby Europe
00:17:19.079 site we have a Discord with 500 uh users
00:17:22.640 after two months so I believe that it's
00:17:24.959 it's huge and we run Ruby plus area meet
00:17:27.439 up in warso and we are planning to do it
00:17:29.440 in uh in other cities next will be
00:17:32.160 Berlin and then we will see I believe
00:17:35.120 that it's also important mission to show
00:17:37.480 to show that Ruby plus AI is already
00:17:39.840 valid option and it's not only python
00:17:43.360 there and unite the unit is the idea to
00:17:47.240 to gather all
00:17:49.080 speakers open source contributors
00:17:52.200 attendees people Ruby friends in general
00:17:55.120 companies in one place I'm not sure that
00:17:57.640 it's it's already done but it's constant
00:18:01.960 work and do you remember the the list of
00:18:04.840 the Cities which uh which was which had
00:18:08.280 euru and it's already more of them of
00:18:11.039 course not all of them are thanks to R
00:18:13.200 Europe but Vienna Vienna showed up
00:18:16.080 Budapest also planning the the next
00:18:18.880 Meetup and we try to connect them with
00:18:21.799 each other to exchange speakers and kco
00:18:24.840 kco have third or fourth Meetup in a row
00:18:29.120 already I am so happy with that so who
00:18:33.360 is in the
00:18:42.480 team I me
00:18:44.760 you so everybody can help so it's not
00:18:47.960 that you have to join our forces and
00:18:51.000 spend your free time on that but you can
00:18:53.720 help us by attending by speaking by by
00:18:57.720 reposting by joining our Discord and be
00:19:01.120 there support the community so action
00:19:04.600 points is are the organized and join
00:19:06.679 local meetups and spread the word visit
00:19:10.480 our website is a QR code here and I will
00:19:14.520 be happy to hear your feedback and ideas
00:19:17.360 and you can reach me every time on on
00:19:20.159 LinkedIn I will be happy to to to help
00:19:23.120 with your ideas and join our Discord or
00:19:26.360 subscribe our newsletter there is no
00:19:28.360 newslet letter yet but you can subscribe
00:19:31.000 it and here is a Discord uh QR code the
00:19:35.760 second uh QR code are not that important
00:19:38.840 but join our Discord and I have a quite
00:19:43.039 easy Mission currently because I'm
00:19:44.799 talking to you the people who are really
00:19:46.880 active in the committee who are here in
00:19:48.799 the on the conference and you would like
00:19:50.880 to be here you you have you know this
00:19:53.799 value of getting this knowledge and
00:19:55.480 talking to people so I have now request
00:19:58.440 for for you to try to convince those who
00:20:01.440 are not that close to try to at least
00:20:05.039 find one friends and invite him to the
00:20:08.159 to the Meetup to the conference or join
00:20:10.280 our Discord or at least share knowledge
00:20:12.960 inside your companies often starts from
00:20:15.440 there to to exchange this knowledge
00:20:18.799 please do that because then next year
00:20:22.679 Ruby com will be probably two 200 more
00:20:25.280 people or even more thank you
00:20:35.880 yeah so the question is is the meetups
00:20:38.799 change between for example 2016 to to
00:20:43.280 current meetups so in general I believe
00:20:45.400 that those meetups are kind of the same
00:20:47.640 they are doing the same but I see really
00:20:50.559 difference between cultures and
00:20:53.159 different countries so when we did that
00:20:55.919 in Spain they was like H it's enough to
00:20:58.760 have one presentation and networking we
00:21:01.559 finishing our work really late so start
00:21:03.640 from 7 and in in Wars we have for
00:21:06.200 example two or three presentation we
00:21:08.159 starting at 6 and we sitting to late
00:21:10.880 night and it's also working for us so
00:21:13.600 there are some some difference yes where
00:21:16.400 to find Meetup currently so yeah the
00:21:19.440 Meetup come kind of dying but it's still
00:21:22.720 a lot of meetups there there is
00:21:25.120 Luma which is a really good tool in
00:21:27.880 general but when you visit for example
00:21:30.559 when I visited New York City and try to
00:21:32.559 find a Meetup and I even know that it's
00:21:35.480 on Luma I couldn't find it uh so It's
00:21:40.120 Tricky so maybe it's the reason why we
00:21:42.120 created R website to to put it on the on
00:21:45.320 the on the map and there is a link for
00:21:47.400 each Meetup to
00:21:49.960 to to direct to their page and I think
00:21:54.000 it's a good idea also to to have this
00:21:57.320 map to the hold world not only to
00:22:00.600 European one how to find venue for the
00:22:03.400 Meetup tips uh so in general there
00:22:07.679 is often it's working like that that
00:22:10.600 there are companies which which have
00:22:12.960 ruia or there run on Ruby or rails and
00:22:16.720 they are happy to to host the meet up
00:22:18.799 often so reaching those is really
00:22:21.960 promising because you already have some
00:22:23.640 people who are doing kruby and they can
00:22:26.360 spread word around so it's it's really
00:22:28.559 really cool idea and all in general
00:22:31.880 pointing those companies which are there
00:22:33.880 there is even site created by Andy C I
00:22:37.360 don't remember the name of the site but
00:22:40.600 it's it's site with all companies which
00:22:44.200 using Ruby on Rails maybe not all but a
00:22:47.120 lot of them and you can find them in
00:22:49.000 your city and thanks to that you have
00:22:51.080 the LinkedIn with the company and you
00:22:52.880 can reach them it's it's one one
00:22:55.320 approach and the second approach is for
00:22:56.840 example it's often a
00:22:59.000 easy to find a co-working space which
00:23:01.360 which is happy to share the space for
00:23:03.799 free for their need also and promotion
00:23:07.600 advice for starting in a
00:23:10.640 video yeah so it's not a it's quite open
00:23:15.400 question so there is a lot of things so
00:23:18.279 venue is one thing so then you probably
00:23:21.600 have to try to reach out and spread the
00:23:24.480 word and talk to people is it is it
00:23:26.720 valid if they will come and they're
00:23:29.200 interested and to poke them also to to
00:23:32.679 share this idea with with other other
00:23:35.000 people and find the speaker or make the
00:23:41.000 the the presentation by
00:23:43.480 yourself in in on our or meetups it was
00:23:48.720 at the beginning it was hard because as
00:23:50.880 a visuality we run 10 presentation in
00:23:53.200 first year and we have always two of
00:23:55.840 them or three of them ever meet up and
00:23:57.480 now we don't have a problem problem with
00:23:58.840 that so Community grow and people are
00:24:00.840 happy to talk but at the beginning it
00:24:02.799 might might be difficult so so yeah so
00:24:05.720 may try to try to find people try to
00:24:08.880 find support of your company if if it's
00:24:11.880 in located in your city and maybe reach
00:24:15.559 out the people from new cities to to get
00:24:20.120 them also and to find sponsor find
00:24:22.400 sponsors or speakers there okay if not
00:24:26.159 thank you I have a stickers if would
00:24:28.720 like and I have a sweets from Poland if
00:24:31.240 you would like to try so you're welcome
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