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all right good morning hopefully you all enjoy the
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keynote and the break that we just had we are continuing today with our panel
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stressed and really excited for this session on Ruby's killer feature I'm
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going to introduce Chris who's moderator Chris is the VP of engineering at radius
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Network where he builds mobile proximity tools and services he co-founded the Arlington Ruby group and helped organize
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both Ruby retrocession and Ruby for good events enjoy the piano hello all right
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so I'm going to go through and we'll do a quick introductions and then we'll get started
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all right thank you Oh introduction hi everybody my name is Larry hunter
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I am a Howard University love of computers mission systems major and I'm also the woman who code reveal rails
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lead in Washington DC and I am a junior software engineer at digital globe hi
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everybody my name is LaToya I am the founder of she nomads and inclusive space and tech for people who want to
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travel while working remotely and I'm also a principal rails engineer at daily Coast
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ok I'm Sean I am Sean my Santa hates lied to everybody now we go to Sean
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that's me I'm not the Sasquatch oh yeah
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I helped organize the Rubies are good and aren't you Ruby and I work for the government
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government so we already introduced yourself allison introduced me no one needs to
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hear me more about that one thing is we'd like to have your questions and I put some index cards in
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the front two rows up here and if if you can I'd love it for people to come up
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grab an index card write down a question and then you just come and hand it up to me if you'd like please feel free to do
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that and we'd like to be able to go through some of those all right so the
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actual panel so before we go into the questions let's get a little bit of
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context so can you just probably a the
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elevator pitch for one of the communities organizations that you guys
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organize let's go in reverse order from from before since John's holding the microphone so so the pitch I like to
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give I talked like to talk about Ruby for good and you've probably heard it and seeing people wearing the shirts
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here it's a long weekend long event where we get a lot of people like us together and we help nonprofits places
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that really need our skills but would never be able to afford you and me and those offer when we can tend to xalapa
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so as I said before she never has a space and check for people who want to
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travel while they work remotely and I think a big part of working tech is constantly working on your skill set so
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we have free coding classes study groups an accountability group and we also do a
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remote work and wellness retreat because I think those things are also important for us as people in tech and women who
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code is the global nonprofit organization who's dedicated to creating
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a community in the network for a woman in tech or woman who would love to be joint tech and for what we do depending
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on the chapter but in the DC chapter what we do is we have weekly meetings across multiple subjects so Python Java
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Ruby on Rails and front-end work and we host workshops talks and just basically
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give a support group for women who are in that and/or in the industry and to share
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our knowledge so one of the things I'd like to kind of set is originally when I
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pitched the idea for this panel was I found it very intriguing folks working
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in like helping with the community and you know moving along starting more
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groups spinning things off encouraging people to move up we had a wonderful
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panel discussion on the first day about getting involved in the community and how you can do that this is a little bit
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more focused on the next step you're already involved in the community or you're participating in the community
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and how can you step up and organize or if you're organizing how can you evolve
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the group's you're in spin out new groups and basically build up the
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infrastructure that we as Rubeus have to rely on so with that the first thing I'd
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like to talk about is member engagement and so the my first question is just how
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do you get consistent members in the organizations that that you help with
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for what little code we get consistent members is of course you start with
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feedback when we first get the ladies on board so we like to figure out what topics they're interested in whether
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along with topic specifically for our case Ruby on Rails also the content like we tried to like
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put forth like the best content whatsoever so we start we're going to really really hone a lot into the
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beginners so we all as we all were once beginners so we all think of the things that beginners would like to know or
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don't know and just clarify it in our first time at night and then give them footsteps I
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mean steps into what is the next thing that they can do to improve on this and we like go along the way with it so I
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think having that constant engagement with them we use flack we leverage of
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you leverage slack to the HUD represses extent but keep that constant engaging with with them outside of our events is
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what it helps them come back or so it's really on like the leaf as well as the community members to keep
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that going I just pay attention to what people want I notice that a lot of
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people are leaving others faces because they didn't have code of conduct so I got a code of conduct or I noticed that
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you know people were having problems getting jobs specifically at remote companies that would allow them to
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travel which is a ton of fun so I started a job board and we started pulling in sponsors for companies that
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were hiring to work in our newsletter so I think just listening to your community
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and meeting their needs is super important yeah and I'd also add that you
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need to make your members feel like they're part of the community engage them have have them all speak when you
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have an event like like something we do at our meetup is all the all the people come we have them do an iceberg at the
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beginning tell them something interesting with themselves and there's trapped and desert island what book
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would they bring things like that and and and don't just like leave when the meetups over like engage the people go
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go to coffee go to nearby coffee shop build community so kind of spinning off
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of that how how do you encourage people to actually either present at a meet-up
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or step up and lead a project or participate it but the next more higher
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level so I'm a big fan of just
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volleyball and telling people to do things chief in voluntold many times
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like a lot of people really want to volunteer they want to but they're I
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feel autumn's self-conscious and so like just sit with them it's like hey how about on this day I know you've been
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working on this how about you come and give a talk in this cool don't agree scrape scrape engineering and then let
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me do I think for Shino mez because our events are typically remote it's just a
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really convenient way for people to contribute to the community of someone wants to come in and teach a class or lead an AMA they can do that and then if
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there happened to be a bunch of people who are you know in New York one week under Mexico City or Lisbon then I'm
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like yes please organize a meet up and just have it under she nomads and it works really well so I want to make it a
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little more specific for a journey so you run a lot of workshops how would you
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convince someone who feels like they might be too junior to lead or help
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other people out encouragement like talk to them and be like hey you can do this
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you can do this we can help you we can help you put together to talk and everything but I think the dish with us
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they don't have they're not confident in theirs go when you actually ally they know their stuff even though they live
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with ourselves as a junior and whatnot so what we do is we talk to them and like of course like I talked about over
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you know the stuff that they want to cover and just like guide em Lynette and then hopefully push them to the next
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level in setting a date and promoting it for them to come through so a similar
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question for Sean so it would be for good one of the problems is finding people that can lead projects is is
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there a good way to take somebody who might feel like they're under-qualified and encourage them into that sort of
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role yeah definitely like something we've started doing is we've like if you're a junior or you don't think you
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have the skills and if you're here you have the skills so company the project but we'll we'll find someone more senior
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in the community a casino developer and pair them up and say hey this is your senior mentor and they will they will
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guide you through the process if you have any questions and anything at all come to them and they'll help you out
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excellent um so I kind of like to change the topic a little bit so Latoya you mentioned the code of
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conduct so how important is it or is there any specific language or points
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that need to be made about a code of conduct when working with the community
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like this yeah I think there's two things number one have one number two enforce it when people are acting up or
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playing games you need to remove them from your community I think it's really important to provide a safe space
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for people and I think Ruby in general does like a great job at that but I would love to see more communities
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really step up and have a code of conduct but also enforce it so as as any
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of you had any specific times when you had to actually deal with a conflict in
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your organization how was that resolved
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specific names would be best
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well so far since we started we've actually had like a really great
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community everybody with respectful to each other but we did recently have an
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incident and what how we handle that it was like absolutely phenomenal to it
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firstly we thought we should have something like you know a strike system a three-strike system so if this is your
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like you know first offense and everything we talked to that person and it's like hey we would like for you to
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not do that here's the reason why this is our code of conduct you know you want to keep this as a positive open relaxed
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community because you know that would scare people away and if they repeat it again we just removed like yield and
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remind them that's the third time around we like put them on probation and like keep them away and then like explain why
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but the key thing is for us is to reach out to the individual to let them know like this is not okay here's how we can
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like work with each other you're misunderstood let's look like to have this conversation but it really is like
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to have I realized that it's really good to have like a not just oh you're out the community immediately but more of
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like a strike system or just give them a chance I'm sorry so one of the questions
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that the counter-arguments I've heard sometimes is we don't need more rules
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why don't we just be nice or be polite to folks would you have a counter to
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somebody making a statement I mean I would say people have been fighting for equality in tech for over 50 years so
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obviously we haven't figured out how to play nice and when they're ready to do that then you can maybe have that discussion wood
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until them I think that's the least like not having something not having a framework for people to reference is
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like the least important part of that discussion I think I agree all right so
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changing changing a to more diversity and culture so just in general how do
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you encourage diversity in the organizations I'm black so I literally
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just show up you know it's really not a problem for us I think when we first
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started she nomads we really wanted to make sure that everyone was either already a part of an underrepresented group in tech or an ally to that group
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and I think because of that we turned off a lot of people and our growth was very small but it ended up serving us
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really well because we don't have those issues and it's been a really great experience we actually just had a
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conversation about this like the leadership team of our Meetup and we recognized that we're not the most
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diverse group and one of the things where we're going to do is we're going to add more organizer and start meet up
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more people of different but they look like us so when people come into the meetup and they see the person running
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it looks like them they're more inclined to to stay and take part forever than
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people who just look like us for wasn't a code right clear these all women but
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we do come from very different diverse backgrounds one thing we we've been like
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really noticing or like trades we keep in mind is like the area of where we host our meetups as well as certain
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barriers that would prevent a third particular group of women from attending so that would be like you know people
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from different economic backgrounds who don't really have a car and they need
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like public transportation to get to our to our to our locations so we try to you
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know put together events or talk to workshops that will eliminate those
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barriers for those people for those women who haven't the type of backgrounds and like
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hopefully could see you having that like diverse background there so Sean since
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Ruby for good isn't aimed specifically at a group that might be
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underrepresented it's much more of a general thing are there any steps that you take to encourage the diversity
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other than you know organizers that might not look the same no definitely definitely and you know before
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registration opens I'm always reaching out to two diverse groups and if you
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come to me for good you'll notice that it doesn't look like a typical technology events we have a very diverse
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like this year I guess not including sponsor tickets because we have no control of who those go to you but 44%
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of the I guess 56% is male and 44% is female so it's a pretty good mix for a
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tech event so are there any specific support for anybody are there specific
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suggestions for if so somebody here is a meetup organizer and they like to become encourage more diversity what's a
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concrete example of something that you can do that would help encourage that I
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feel like um if you see somebody that's like you know doesn't really typically
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each other events like reach out and talk to them and try to bring them under your wing or on board with what you're
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trying to do it I like we need to like talk to them and it feels like they're more included even though they're like
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oh why you're talking to me I just want to look around see what you're doing but I feel like if you reach out to them and
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doesn't know like hey I see you I would like more people like you to come to our event that will really help encourage
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them make it a little bit more comfortable and like change the whole dynamic so there's your feet up so I'm
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going to chime in even though the moderator not supposed to but specifically about this panel I wanted
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to find a you know somebody that was in a white dude like myself
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and the way we went about that was I talked to Allison who helps with the
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conference and I knew that she had connections and kind of like Marco was saying the keynote you know I know
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person the new person and that that was able to come through in in the end I was
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super psyched and happier with how the panel turned out and then what would
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have happened if I would have just gone out and tried to find somebody by myself so I think relying on those connections
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is is a good go-to okay so we talked about diversity of the people inside the
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meetup I think there's also a important thing about diversity of meetups or
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groups that you're involved in how do you encourage your members to kind of expand out to other parts of the
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community or things that you're not even necessarily involved in um we usually like organize the meetups to crash other
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meetups okay but that's a way of how we do it like say I think I think it was
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Arlington or I think there is something amitabh not too long ago that we decided
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to like area instead of like having our own little ones let's go in a tent there is images show up in a group and we do
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the same thing for a DC tech events too like a whole bunch of ladies women who code would come to the event independent
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and hopefully that like encouraged into so comfortable an environment where they don't have to come with us
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but that's my way like trying to branch out outside of just the women code
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organization so like even though we're
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Ruby meetup like we like one thing we do is we we encourage other other disciplines to come give talks are meet
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up maybe talk about licks ER talk about one of the 600 JavaScript frameworks or
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something because then you know they people come they get introduced to to these different things and and a lot of
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times it's like an organizer a member of these army Epsilon they give them the resources to then go take part
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I absolutely love linking up with other
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meetup organizers and just combining and doing events I don't think I do it enough actually I tried to do it
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quarterly but for example we linked up with Chicago PI ladies and we did an
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event with them called a hundred days of commits and we had them come in and teach a class for us to you on building
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Twitter BOTS which was really cool so I think just joining forces is a great
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thing so I definitely you know there's a
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certain amount of overlap between different meetups or maybe similar meetups within the same geographic area
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so a couple of us are from DC and we have an amazing tech community there
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however I remember it was something like six years ago this month I'm just
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guessing that Arlington Ruby was started which you know there was already DC v
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rug Ruby users group and there was Nova rock and so Arlington is kind of both of
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those so obviously Li Shan was vindictive trying to take away from both DC and
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Nova and crush them and take over the whole area how do you feel like how did
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you feel when wrestling on Rails started and decided to do the same thing to Arlington Ruby I I was I was happy when
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Reston launched their their interior Meetup I'm joking no no is like I was happy
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like it's just shows the communities growing there's there's more people and like I was really excited cuz like more
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talks like more chance for me to learn and just more people coming in the community and like in the reason we
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started we started Arlington Ruby was like DC Ruby at the time was was always full people couldn't get in and so we
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were like well let's just you know start around we all live in Arlington if we don't we didn't live in the district and so just made sense so 30 I know that
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there are some very similar groups in DC also doing things do you feel like that more
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options or is better of course of course there's certain topics that they were
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probably covered that we don't get a chance to cover so the more options the better so we get like the ladies explore
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what they want to like be interested in but yeah the more options the better and
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obviously literally you want to be the only online I'm going to be only online meetup yes forever also travel ever for
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anything no I mean it's the same thing for me especially I would love more help
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actually there's so many people that are like on the other side of the planet who wanted
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do things and I'm sleeping at that time or vice versa so like I would love to be able to say hey I have these like ten
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users on your side of the world here you go the reason I you know I'm asking these
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hilarious ly worded questions is just want to impress upon the folks here that
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as organizers were thrilled when somebody else opens up next door doing the exact same thing it's the more
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groups the better and the more we build out the community it's going to be slightly different for different people and they'll just click with other folks
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and then they can work together right now there's lots of overlap as you know with Arlington Ruby in Silver Spring
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Ruby in the DC rug and rest on Rails and then you know it can all come together for local conferences and other events
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crashing meetups which is fantastic super fun yeah so if you're like
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thinking I'd like to do this because I really don't want to drive for 20 minutes to go to meet up you should start one and highly encourage that all
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right so I have a let me go through a couple of questions so I want to start
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with Latoya so she nomads is online
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virtual meetup but somehow you ended up doing a co-located event where you
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brought a lot of people to Mexico how did that come about so when I first
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started traveling or working remotely I didn't I found that I couldn't find community right it's like if I'm in New
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York or something there's a ton of meetups I can go and meet people and I just found that a lot of people who are
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having we're having the same problem you know it's like you want to get out of the US and work somewhere else where
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it's cheap and the food hello Mexicans it's just amazing right so you want to go and have that experience and still be
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able to get your work done how do you find community so I kept going down to Mexico City and then I kept trying to
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convince my friend to working remotely to come with me they kept saying no so finally I said you know what screw you
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guys I'm just going to like throw a website up and see if anyone wants to sign up or no one showed up and then
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like a ton of people ended up applying which was great and then I ended up hiring a yoga instructor who taught us
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yoga like twice a day and we got to explore this amazing culture and get to
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know each other and we all worked as well so so did you find there was a lot of value in that actual co-located
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FaceTime absolutely I feel like I've gotten to know them a lot better and it's just energizes the community I
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think as well so this is for Sean so
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originally you've organized a ruby retro session and somehow you were able to
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parlay that into Ruby for good so first can you kind of give a little background of what Ruby retro session is and how
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you use that to evolve into a much more complicated thing to organize sure
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so retrocession it's a one-day unconference so which means we just all get together Dave we decide what the
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topics are going to be and then we just talk about it and it's a lot of fun it's great for community building and quite
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sure how that evolved into Ruby for good like something to do with my kind of efficient brain and like hating
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inefficiencies because you talk to me like you know work with nonprofits or meet nonprofits and you hear about like
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the horrible way they're doing things and we you know software developers we have this amazing building to help and
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it doesn't require us to do much it's like just for how little a little help they need and so that's kind of like hey
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we can help these people and probably a little bit of guilt in there too because you know as software developers we have
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it pretty good we make a lot of money and everyone's turning those jobs but not everyone is
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so lucky so Suri
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I'm kind of curious what the secret sauce is and taking someone that's like
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a total beginner and helping them through all the way to like getting their first job secret sauce is sugar
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spice and everything nice I'm kidding honestly it's really encouragement and
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boosting their confidence so really figure out what they really want to do
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did you want to do front-end or back-end or you know did you want to do for Ruby on Rails and then from there just guide
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them check in on them is fully almost like you know a micro mentorship going on so you got like 100% like it in your
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face every week but just like doing checkups to figure out like where they are they come across any issues and just
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really guide them question and encourage them and then like hasn't come out to warm it up have them actually become a
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Ruby on Rails lead so so far we've like have people who become leaps within
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women who code who started off like coming from a defender sri or who started off as like self-taught on
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developers and we watch them grow we watch and give their talks and everything and we courage them and then
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from that point on they're able to build that confidence ed in like they assert
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applied to jobs and then so they're finally in the industry but I think when you bring them more involved in the
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community it helps really put them to the next level with Intertek career or get into the tech industry so really
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just having that constant connection monitoring you know encouragement the
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network like really the network really helped us out a lot to help bring them into the next level so that's our fruit
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solace so about a sugar and spice everything nice so it seems like you get a fair amount of control over there
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beginners you help them level up you can you can kind of help them to become a lead and get more
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technically savvy but that last step is really hard going from you know or even
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just getting the interview and then you know starting the job and and the the
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terror that can sometimes go through people's minds they feel like they're jumping into this big commitment how do
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you handle that food really is like a constant reminder to let them know we
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are here for you if you need to vent if you need to talk about like your first day or the interview process we are here
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like this is what women who coat was for like we are you're here for you to
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communicate to really puts up your confidence be your cheerleaders actually so that's how like we really like tackle
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that and all what else is really like tackle that part um I really went blank
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Latoya did you have a summer do you ever work with that first interview so the
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interesting thing is that I think because we're so focused on people who
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work in tech who can travel we get a lot of mid and senior and like director level people in our community so when
00:29:42.809
the new people come in I don't have to do much work to be perfectly honest I can kind of sit back and we have a lot
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of people that are often willing to help them mentor on the fly I mean you can
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you know screen share you can use team X to SSH into somebody's computer and we definitely encourage that so so Shawn I
00:30:02.340
know it at Arlington Ruby we've definitely had folks walk in the door and they said I don't know if I'm even supposed to be here and we've watched
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them move all the way up just in watching those folks do you think there's something specific that
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organizers should be doing to help or or encourage those people definitely
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mentorship trying to find members mentors try to like to just encourage
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them and just be there for them like one thing one thing I know a lot of the organizers of our Meetup we do is we do
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a lot of marketing videos with the people I probably do one one or two a month with different junior people
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before they're going to vote for their first interview of a second so just like help with any weekend so
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changing changing gears a little bit to talk to mentorship which was fantastic segue thanks Sean so how do you go about
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finding people to be mentors John so so
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news can talk about mentorship so I have two so the first thing about mentorship is like it is a relationship and you
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have to understand that and maybe it'll work maybe it won't because it's two personalities and and I was I was
00:31:16.269
talking to my mentee and she said to me she said I knew Riverbend mentor for me
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because all the great advice he'd given me and I've given great advice and she she clarified and I wrote them down
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because I want to share them at some point and advice I have given us don't be nervous about speaking at
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railsconf just get drunk first that seven year old lady at the nonprofit
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you're you work at is bugging you to spider when interviewing tell whoever's
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interviewing you that your good luck to hire you tell them how every person who hasn't hired hired you had a house fire
00:31:54.639
afterwards so obviously I there's a particular sense of humor and we match
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up but but yeah so it is a relationship and you need to find the right person so
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as far as mentorship goes I would not be here if it weren't for mentorship I dropped out of college twice and I was
00:32:16.000
bartending until five in the morning when I started to learn how to code and I was like lost for a year and then I
00:32:21.909
ended up getting a mentoring shift at a company called a slight and I was able to take a lot of the good things that
00:32:27.760
came out of that program I think and kind of implement them and I think just because of my experience I'm just always
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willing to help people who want to learn so I think finding other people who have who for some reason want to help to
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learn is a big health code of we are
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still trying to figure out like a nice formal process in doing this but more so
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I think it's more like people don't know that
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like that person actually my mentor but like I haven't told them yet but I do go
00:33:02.190
to them for questions I do go to them for like you know some advice on something but I think for us leads what we do is
00:33:11.159
like we reach out to them afterwards like after events and see like hey would
00:33:17.460
you like to you know have one-on-one discussions in regards to you know whatever you're interested with in the field and I've done that like several
00:33:23.760
times have a FaceTime my FaceTime yeah Skype Google hangout and I just talk
00:33:28.919
with them and figure out like hey what are your goals like what do you want to do let's you know try to meet every two
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three weeks on like whatever subject or whether for whatever project that you want to do and I can help hold you
00:33:42.059
accountable for it and we can work through this and any questions that you have like I'm here for you so really
00:33:47.450
taking like our extra time outside of just organizing our meetups and reaching
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out to our members to help monitor them and like give them like advice is like
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one of our informal ways of like doing our mentorship cycle so one more quick
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question about mentorship and then I'd like to open it up to audience questions
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so do you hope to always have a mentor
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of course I will be do I hope to always have a mentor yeah yeah absolutely I
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have so many unofficial Mentors um Jenny Hendry was one of mine Rae Hightower I don't think even realize
00:34:27.510
that he's in my mentor for like five years and I'm always looking to you know
00:34:32.580
grow and expand myself and I think the only way that you can do that is through mentorship definitely definitely I hope
00:34:40.109
I always have one for the rest of my life right yes everything she said
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actually of course yes I hope to have mentors also hope to like have mentors
00:34:53.790
across different realms in industry or different topics like not misplay always
00:34:59.339
in tech but you know a career mentor or someone on like life but the I think for
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me like what I would like to and I'm sure everybody would like to work on is getting mentors with different tricks and trades so it really
00:35:14.020
will give you like well-rounded advice and a well-rounded guide on navigating
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or wherever you're going great so we have about five minutes left I thought one person take a card did you have
00:35:27.130
question so the question is how
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important are the meetups to maintain a community and keeping connected well in
00:35:40.480
this context what is a Mita like are you talking about meetup comm actual events
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I think they're really important I think they're the foundation so is it kind of
00:35:52.510
actual that's like as opposed to a conference okay I think that in-person
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like stuff really really truly goes a long long way I think that's like really
00:36:07.360
fundamental because it really you see the first thing Tudor facing we can read body language a lot better as opposed to
00:36:13.930
you know doing district text honestly by the way we just play is basically close to it 90% of communication so the
00:36:21.960
physical location part is like super super important and it really helps out
00:36:27.310
with everything yeah definitely and helps sort of you can create
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opportunities for mentorship like how have new people bring bring code samples or bring code that they're working on
00:36:38.170
them that they need help like we always encourage our new members to like hey if you're stuck on something bring it and
00:36:43.630
someone will help you and oftentimes persons is helping them that will blossom into a mentorship situation
00:36:51.000
don't add to that really quick since everything to do or 90% of what you do is remote I will say that like for us a
00:36:57.220
meet-up might be there's a bunch of people online on Saturday asking questions about github why don't we just
00:37:02.920
do a giant github review then there's like 10 people that are just doing it then and I feel that works really well
00:37:08.500
for us
00:37:26.170
coming up in my community so just to repeat the question that is how can
00:37:31.760
people join a more global or remote community and be involved in that yeah
00:37:41.170
so I think when people come into the community I try to welcome them personally ask them a couple of
00:37:47.150
questions as you try to get people to do introductions and I just talk to them a little bit and see like what we can do
00:37:52.730
to help them feel a sense of community if they're looking for anything specific and I since everything's online like I
00:37:59.029
said before the turnaround time is really quick they're like I need help with my resume okay then like let's
00:38:04.670
throw something on the calendar for next month or next week so Ruby for good has
00:38:11.359
done remote leads you'd say a little bit about that yes so in the past years
00:38:17.869
we've like one of the teams or will will do one team or will get a remote lead and have a remote team and we're
00:38:23.690
debating doing it this year too so if that's something really appealing to you come find us efforts I think we have
00:38:30.950
time for one more question anybody all right great thank you so much for coming