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Solidarity not Charity and Collective Liberation

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RubyConf 2022

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00:00:16.940 hi folks thanks for coming to solidarity
00:00:21.359 not charity and Collective Liberation
00:00:23.580 there's a lot of jargon words we're
00:00:25.439 going to talk about what they mean
00:00:27.300 uh this may include I'm pretty sure
00:00:30.900 we'll include some hot takes
00:00:33.860 and I am involved and affiliated with
00:00:37.380 many different organizations and people
00:00:39.540 and hereby absolve them of anything I
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00:00:46.140 okay the
00:00:48.719 thing I wanted to do to set the stage
00:00:50.879 about these topics and this space is to
00:00:54.059 get in the habit of complexifying our
00:00:56.820 thinking
00:00:58.980 um that means just for a moment if
00:01:02.219 everybody could think about any kind of
00:01:05.820 paradoxes contradictions juxtapositions
00:01:09.060 that you can think of immediately
00:01:11.460 things where two or more
00:01:15.540 uh potentially opposing ideas are
00:01:18.479 simultaneously true
00:01:21.000 everybody's been able to think of at
00:01:22.920 least one
00:01:25.799 okay this is going to require some
00:01:27.360 engagement this next part not require
00:01:29.900 suggest request
00:01:33.600 if you'd be willing to listen to a
00:01:36.960 nearby neighbor who you are now nearer
00:01:39.000 by
00:01:40.560 tell you their name and one of those
00:01:43.259 and then share the same that's what
00:01:45.060 we're going to do for three minutes cool
00:01:55.560 everybody ready
00:02:01.439 thanks for hanging with each other
00:02:07.320 okay so congratulations to all of you
00:02:11.640 by having embraced and thought about
00:02:14.900 contradictions that you can think of and
00:02:18.840 ideally relate to
00:02:20.660 your body your heart your brain are now
00:02:24.180 better attuned to getting involved with
00:02:26.459 your communities
00:02:28.020 if what you do is start at a very black
00:02:31.980 and white binary position of whatever it
00:02:35.040 is that you want to do anything about
00:02:36.860 it's going to be tough for you to do
00:02:40.260 that
00:02:41.700 um
00:02:42.780 also just to call out to somatics which
00:02:45.660 is body based learning and knowing and
00:02:48.480 engagement there's a lot going on with
00:02:51.720 engaging our own inner body wisdom into
00:02:56.700 how we do things and how we think so
00:03:00.180 congrats to everybody
00:03:07.200 because the reality
00:03:09.840 generally is not simple
00:03:13.739 every thing that one person may benefit
00:03:17.280 from often is not going to benefit
00:03:20.040 someone else
00:03:21.540 so a lot of really well-intentioned
00:03:25.260 communities and discussions end up
00:03:27.720 having a lot of semantic challenge
00:03:31.019 around well this proof disproves that
00:03:34.440 and the straw man arguments
00:03:36.959 so the more that you are willing to be
00:03:40.319 wrong the more that you are willing to
00:03:42.959 listen
00:03:44.640 um instead of tell the closer you're
00:03:47.400 going to be to being able to be of help
00:03:49.799 and of service
00:03:53.879 is anybody here and I'm pretty sure most
00:03:56.879 of you would be my guess already
00:03:59.040 involved in your community
00:04:00.959 if you are if you'd be willing to stand
00:04:03.120 up
00:04:04.500 that'd be awesome
00:04:06.900 cool
00:04:09.480 okay now anybody who is willing to talk
00:04:13.739 to some other people at this conference
00:04:15.959 about the work you're doing please stay
00:04:18.419 standing
00:04:19.680 so sit down if you'd rather not have
00:04:21.479 randos coming and talking to you
00:04:24.540 awesome okay wave
00:04:28.380 yay here's some more Buddies
00:04:30.479 so that's one of the main things of oh
00:04:33.540 yeah you can sit down thanks
00:04:36.000 one of the main things is making buddies
00:04:38.040 being able to know what are you doing
00:04:40.620 and how can I get involved if you're
00:04:42.360 here because you're not yet involved
00:04:44.040 definitely connect with these people
00:04:46.560 we're also going to add a channel to
00:04:48.840 slack and have a lot more discussion
00:04:51.600 after this 30 minutes to be able to help
00:04:55.259 give you ideas and encourage you
00:04:58.199 um in becoming involved in whatever
00:05:00.419 you'd like to
00:05:02.280 and ideally all of you that stood up at
00:05:04.380 all if you'd be willing to join that
00:05:06.180 channel and also share if your
00:05:08.940 organization or efforts could use help
00:05:11.780 if you have suggestions or want to share
00:05:15.300 something with people here we might have
00:05:17.940 time to have a couple people speak at
00:05:20.460 the end but if not and regardless please
00:05:23.699 be involved in that slack and we'll make
00:05:25.919 some other opportunities available as
00:05:27.600 well
00:05:29.160 is everybody in the comp Slack
00:05:32.880 cool
00:05:35.160 okay here's the basic tldr of community
00:05:38.460 involvement
00:05:40.380 start by finding people or organizations
00:05:42.600 that you care about what it is that they
00:05:46.199 are already doing
00:05:48.600 number one memo don't just come in I
00:05:52.139 know how to fix XYZ problem
00:05:54.680 there's a long history of a lot of us
00:05:57.419 including me doing that
00:05:59.539 it's it's generally not super effective
00:06:04.259 um ask them how your skills might be of
00:06:07.199 use maybe it's coding maybe it's serving
00:06:10.139 some food if you're willing to do what
00:06:13.199 is needed and become a part of what is
00:06:15.840 happening you'll likely be able to then
00:06:18.180 have a better idea of what you could
00:06:20.940 engage with later
00:06:22.560 if it's involving code
00:06:25.680 make sure to listen to their answers
00:06:29.759 you can suggest options but follow their
00:06:33.300 lead
00:06:34.560 amplify their work
00:06:36.720 and create opportunities for others to
00:06:39.000 join the effort
00:06:41.340 bonus points if you start by
00:06:45.020 identifying things that are led by
00:06:47.460 people who are historically marginalized
00:06:49.860 or oppressed people
00:06:51.900 they could definitely use
00:06:54.900 your sport
00:06:56.639 they and we and you
00:06:59.280 oh
00:07:00.479 any other questions
00:07:02.759 about this anything anybody has to add
00:07:05.280 to this little recipe
00:07:10.380 okay because one of the things is I can
00:07:13.500 tell you this I have all kinds of things
00:07:15.060 to say in life
00:07:16.620 um but the idea is to not think you know
00:07:20.160 everything so even if I think I know a
00:07:23.580 lot of stuff
00:07:25.139 um always humbling myself to be able to
00:07:28.199 ask and invite
00:07:30.120 that's another key memo
00:07:33.120 okay so this seems maybe not relevant to
00:07:36.500 the jargon-packed title of this talk
00:07:42.240 solidarity not charity
00:07:45.660 and Collective Liberation but
00:07:49.199 they're definitely tied
00:07:51.000 so Collective Liberation is a phrase
00:07:54.479 that doesn't have a great definition
00:07:56.039 anywhere
00:07:57.319 we are leaning into our complexification
00:08:00.840 and that is okay
00:08:02.639 so one of the goals is to be
00:08:05.720 interdependent to not encourage every
00:08:08.819 person or every Community to be
00:08:10.680 completely independent
00:08:13.440 um another piece of it is to focus on
00:08:17.759 how to have all humans thrive
00:08:21.060 so much of what happens
00:08:24.599 in the world is uh benefiting only
00:08:28.620 specific segments so definitely want to
00:08:31.740 work toward things that benefit many
00:08:35.459 and the print-up misses of collective
00:08:38.219 Liberation all of our struggles are
00:08:41.099 inextricably linked
00:08:43.560 within systems of Oppression everyone
00:08:46.080 suffers
00:08:48.080 obviously
00:08:49.620 some more than others in some ways but
00:08:52.620 it impacts everybody negatively
00:08:55.440 so when you are thinking about becoming
00:08:59.399 involved in communities and helping them
00:09:02.580 if what you do is only think that they
00:09:07.200 are the ones that are suffering and you
00:09:09.540 are not part of that
00:09:11.580 you're going to come at it at a very
00:09:13.920 different angle than if you come at it
00:09:17.279 from
00:09:18.120 we are all a community and this is a
00:09:20.880 problem for all of us
00:09:23.640 um
00:09:24.660 I'll talk a little bit more about that
00:09:26.040 in a minute but
00:09:28.620 lots more definitions of collective
00:09:30.360 Liberation out there in the world I read
00:09:33.959 this awesome people and planets
00:09:35.880 Collective Liberation guide strongly
00:09:38.100 recommend it I'm going to include
00:09:40.260 several references in the sock Channel
00:09:42.600 after this talk
00:09:44.360 but there's there's a lot of really
00:09:46.980 great work and thinking that's been
00:09:48.480 shared
00:09:51.080 solidarity not charity
00:09:54.600 the idea is if you are only
00:09:58.740 thinking that you're going to be
00:10:01.800 charitable
00:10:03.260 it's a way to separate and potentially
00:10:06.720 have a an experience of superiority
00:10:11.459 that you want to avoid like
00:10:14.760 my mom used to always say there but for
00:10:17.220 the grace of God go I
00:10:19.500 like any of us could be in any of these
00:10:22.200 situations
00:10:23.880 um certainly there are probabilistic
00:10:25.860 things around who ends up in what
00:10:27.839 situation and why and so another piece
00:10:30.540 of solidarity not charity is working to
00:10:33.180 change the systems that create inequity
00:10:36.740 and looking more at the systems as the
00:10:40.019 target of the problem as opposed to the
00:10:42.959 people or their individual
00:10:46.019 um
00:10:47.040 like inadequacies that led them there or
00:10:51.140 their lack of a work ethic or all kinds
00:10:53.880 of other things people think
00:10:56.279 this is one of my favorite
00:10:58.380 um things to say you need to be ready to
00:11:01.140 accept help if you need no help in life
00:11:05.060 it's not ideal to go out trying to help
00:11:08.040 others
00:11:09.000 like be in touch with where you could
00:11:12.839 use support all of us could use all
00:11:15.120 kinds of support
00:11:17.100 um and it's too often that we close
00:11:20.339 ourselves off to whatever it is that
00:11:23.339 we're trying to
00:11:25.040 uplift by thinking that we are somehow
00:11:28.620 immune so definitely want to suggest
00:11:32.160 that
00:11:33.720 also something I meant to say before
00:11:36.240 so I am a white woman white CIS mostly
00:11:39.600 hat uh Woman and
00:11:42.720 I am speaking from my experience this is
00:11:46.140 uh you know please take what is said
00:11:49.860 here as from that perspective and I
00:11:52.200 would love to hear from other people of
00:11:54.240 other identities and how you disagree
00:11:56.160 and what we can do to get more
00:11:58.860 information out to more people about how
00:12:00.839 to become involved so be my buddy
00:12:05.180 here's some of that why do I care
00:12:08.339 um
00:12:09.200 my experience and belief is that we all
00:12:14.100 perpetuate all of the oppression
00:12:18.120 including to our own identities we can
00:12:20.940 work to mitigate it we can work to see
00:12:23.519 it
00:12:24.380 but it takes a lot of work and a
00:12:27.839 lifetime of commitment
00:12:30.360 um and people have created a lot of
00:12:33.360 space for me and I want to make sure to
00:12:35.760 be doing that for others
00:12:38.820 um oppression is redistribution in a
00:12:42.060 zero-sum game
00:12:44.519 that is true every amount of success
00:12:48.360 ends up on the backs is is extracted
00:12:51.480 from the backs of others
00:12:53.639 generally
00:12:55.500 um you know we're going with complexity
00:12:57.839 so that's true and not true
00:13:00.500 but I'd really like for us to build a
00:13:03.000 pie Factory
00:13:04.160 we do not need to
00:13:07.339 uh have it be Zero Sum but we need to
00:13:10.920 understand that when someone else is
00:13:13.980 oppressed or challenged or
00:13:15.480 disenfranchised there's another group
00:13:18.000 that has benefit so figuring out how to
00:13:22.079 redistribute some of that is cool but
00:13:24.240 definitely let's make a lot more to go
00:13:25.860 around
00:13:28.260 some of how I came to think a lot of
00:13:30.300 these things are my dad bless his heart
00:13:34.880 is a pretty radical uh uh person who
00:13:40.500 really wants to support his community he
00:13:43.680 feels really strongly about that as well
00:13:46.079 as many things and as this says he is
00:13:49.500 not here to listen and learn or he is
00:13:52.380 there to listen and learn not debate
00:13:55.680 um but uh that is not entirely been my
00:14:00.420 experience of him uh meanwhile
00:14:04.079 um I am a bit different and want the
00:14:08.579 rainbows of the world
00:14:10.680 um and people to come together
00:14:13.019 during the pandemic I uh when it started
00:14:16.700 I became involved with and heard of
00:14:19.800 different Mutual Aid efforts around the
00:14:22.019 country and I had
00:14:23.700 um
00:14:24.300 people I knew or people maybe one
00:14:27.240 removed who were working in that space
00:14:29.540 and I started with several other
00:14:32.579 programmers to build software for Mutual
00:14:36.300 Aid
00:14:37.440 because they were
00:14:40.380 using a lot of spreadsheets and
00:14:42.180 including people's pii uh in a way that
00:14:46.680 I was not able to sleep as well at night
00:14:50.339 um
00:14:50.940 and then my dad was having some heart
00:14:53.940 problems so I went to live at his biker
00:14:57.120 bar and I was doing that work as well as
00:15:01.079 racial Justice education for white
00:15:02.760 people from this biker bar in Upstate
00:15:06.420 New York and uh
00:15:09.000 in the days I would talk with the
00:15:11.639 patrons and in the evenings I would talk
00:15:14.579 with some other people and
00:15:17.579 um what I found is that
00:15:20.699 most people
00:15:22.800 want to be of help these people do
00:15:25.620 believe that they are preserving
00:15:27.720 something helping people like
00:15:31.380 it's out of love
00:15:34.260 um and and my assessment is that
00:15:38.639 they are much more focused on their
00:15:42.120 people and just my circle of who is my
00:15:45.600 people is all of the people and that is
00:15:49.560 not theirs
00:15:51.720 and I share that because it's relevant
00:15:55.079 to try to find that good
00:15:59.639 even if uh things like my dad say that
00:16:03.480 this slide includes are not necessarily
00:16:06.000 positive
00:16:08.279 it helps to engage I do think that for
00:16:12.959 the uh
00:16:15.000 future of Humanity on this planet we
00:16:17.760 need to figure out how to come together
00:16:19.980 more
00:16:21.000 people who have privilege and that's
00:16:23.220 less dangerous for
00:16:25.079 those are the people we should send in
00:16:26.880 first so I sat there and talked to
00:16:29.639 people about their ammo they just bought
00:16:32.940 and what they were thinking during the
00:16:36.180 pandemic
00:16:37.860 um and they were very touched that I was
00:16:42.000 willing to listen to them and to extend
00:16:44.220 respect to them
00:16:46.860 um this is not for everyone not
00:16:49.620 everybody could do that for all kinds of
00:16:51.899 reasons I'm not saying everybody should
00:16:53.720 it's just something that I did and how I
00:16:56.820 ended up here
00:16:59.220 so I encourage you all to think about
00:17:01.820 who is in your circle it doesn't have to
00:17:05.520 be every single person
00:17:07.799 um the bigger the circle is the more
00:17:10.020 likely that we'll be able to help more
00:17:12.839 people and get closer to Collective
00:17:15.179 liberation
00:17:16.380 but all of culture change takes all of
00:17:21.000 the approaches there really is no one
00:17:24.480 right way that's part of why it's
00:17:26.640 confusing and hard to figure out how to
00:17:28.559 get involved
00:17:30.720 foreign
00:17:33.679 of a number of the people and
00:17:37.320 organizations that have inspired me I
00:17:40.559 strongly recommend that folks here at
00:17:43.559 rubyconf consider becoming involved in
00:17:46.080 Ruby for good
00:17:47.400 it's a non-profit where there are
00:17:49.679 conferences each at least one a year
00:17:54.080 it's a not a hackathon but a
00:17:59.900 weekend retreat there's a lot of
00:18:02.580 sensitivity around the word hackathon
00:18:04.200 which I support
00:18:05.720 but essentially we build software for
00:18:08.340 free for non-profits and maintain it
00:18:10.320 throughout the year you don't have to go
00:18:12.120 to a ruby for good conference to be
00:18:14.160 involved in any of those projects
00:18:16.820 there are repos on GitHub and there are
00:18:20.700 lots of issues and you could pick up one
00:18:23.160 at any time you could become a core team
00:18:25.980 member of any of those they most of the
00:18:28.380 crews in the Ruby for good Community
00:18:30.080 meet regularly on Zoom
00:18:33.840 um and or you could just do a drive-by
00:18:36.240 PR like uh you don't need to uh commit
00:18:41.820 much to do any good
00:18:45.299 um
00:18:46.080 also they're really good about engaging
00:18:48.539 with existing organizations so one of
00:18:51.299 the flagship projects is uh About diaper
00:18:55.320 Banks so hundreds of diaper banks are
00:18:57.840 now using software built and maintained
00:19:00.240 by Ruby for good coders pretty awesome
00:19:04.919 um anyway lots more like that tons of
00:19:07.740 Open Source things available
00:19:10.140 um if you make a buddy that's why we
00:19:13.919 started there
00:19:15.539 um who is doing something they likely
00:19:18.179 have a way for you to get involved too I
00:19:20.760 found that's easiest for me rather than
00:19:22.860 just like cold calling somebody
00:19:25.460 especially because those organizations
00:19:28.200 might not be ready to accept your help
00:19:30.600 or your ideas
00:19:31.919 so trying to figure out who might
00:19:34.980 already be involved and how are they
00:19:36.660 involved can often be an easier in to
00:19:40.559 doing so yourself
00:19:43.799 definitely want to shout out to all of
00:19:46.620 the people past present and future who
00:19:50.460 have been part of
00:19:52.320 working toward the good for all I'm
00:19:55.980 grateful that all of you are here and
00:19:58.340 congratulate and Shout Out each of you
00:20:00.480 for showing up
00:20:02.580 um
00:20:03.240 please though as you become more and
00:20:05.760 more involved think about how to do so
00:20:09.240 in a way that is uh
00:20:12.600 were genetic regenerative for you and
00:20:15.539 sustainable a lot of people get involved
00:20:18.000 and then really burn out I definitely
00:20:20.400 have burned out multiple times so I have
00:20:22.080 tons of projects that uh I have handed
00:20:25.200 the Baton over
00:20:27.240 um
00:20:28.080 and be yourself if that is your way like
00:20:33.780 me going deep and then burn out and then
00:20:36.000 Circle back later
00:20:38.100 do that if your way is steady and small
00:20:42.900 or one time a year you can get involved
00:20:46.679 in um
00:20:48.840 the hacktober will have tons of
00:20:52.080 Engagement around how to find coding
00:20:55.260 specific projects
00:20:57.080 and keep in touch so let's definitely
00:21:01.400 get this slack going and then we've got
00:21:04.559 other slacks and ways to connect people
00:21:07.559 um year round
00:21:09.059 would love to be engaged with you and to
00:21:12.059 help others people that we know also get
00:21:15.480 involved too is my very favorite thing
00:21:18.360 in the world to be working together for
00:21:21.419 the good I do a bit of it alone but my
00:21:25.679 preference is to be talking to people
00:21:27.780 about code
00:21:29.179 and about good and mixing those together
00:21:34.200 um
00:21:35.940 something else I wanted to share about
00:21:38.039 some of the organizations here
00:21:40.980 um railsbridge is an organization that
00:21:45.059 teaches programming for free to women
00:21:47.940 people of color and others
00:21:49.440 underrepresented in Tech
00:21:51.299 like you could be a mentor for code the
00:21:54.179 dream which I had meant to include here
00:21:57.179 um
00:21:58.380 all kinds of options the options are
00:22:00.900 endless I know some of that gives some
00:22:04.260 paralysis but
00:22:06.080 please think about what type of
00:22:09.900 Engagement would you like to have that
00:22:12.360 you can sustain that will be inspiring
00:22:15.840 to you
00:22:17.000 and rewarding to you
00:22:19.380 and please think about where and how
00:22:22.320 others can help you where do you have
00:22:26.940 um weakness or insecurity or
00:22:28.919 vulnerability and try to find ways to
00:22:31.620 share that
00:22:33.299 um
00:22:34.440 definitely don't want to go all out as a
00:22:38.720 unidirectional giving
00:22:41.580 also want to shout out the healers
00:22:43.080 activists artists and Weirdos of the
00:22:45.240 world and
00:22:48.480 music festivals I have been part of a
00:22:51.240 lot of different
00:22:52.320 music festivals that really work to
00:22:55.679 figure out how to create space for
00:22:57.840 everybody to feel
00:22:59.640 free enough to be themselves and think
00:23:04.320 about how to create alternative good in
00:23:08.760 the world
00:23:10.799 I've got a few minutes left I would love
00:23:12.720 if any of you are involved in projects
00:23:16.620 that you would like to give a shout out
00:23:18.419 to I would love to pass and share this
00:23:20.940 mic
00:23:22.740 um does anybody want to share anything
00:23:26.159 anybody have a project that someone else
00:23:28.980 here might be able to join
00:23:35.640 yeah
00:23:37.919 that's okay would you be willing to go
00:23:39.600 on the mic
00:23:41.100 and what's your name uh my name is Priya
00:23:43.500 hi hi
00:23:45.120 um I just wanted to plug that I work for
00:23:48.000 Libro FM audiobooks and we support local
00:23:51.419 bookstores and are trying to put the
00:23:53.640 money back into our communities and so
00:23:56.280 we're just uh alternative to Audible and
00:23:59.039 if you're looking for a way to support
00:24:00.480 your local bookstore this is a way you
00:24:02.580 can do that um so yeah you can feel free
00:24:04.500 to talk to me about it too love it
00:24:09.539 we've got a couple more minutes anybody
00:24:11.520 else
00:24:13.320 please please
00:24:16.620 yes sorry
00:24:24.120 hi I'm Sarah
00:24:26.100 um I haven't worked with them for about
00:24:27.600 a year because things got busy but I
00:24:29.220 know hack for La I did a project with
00:24:31.740 them
00:24:32.580 um
00:24:34.200 a while ago but they have like basically
00:24:36.600 a whole site full of like open source
00:24:39.960 projects that you can help contribute to
00:24:41.400 and then I think the time commitment is
00:24:44.520 about
00:24:45.360 one to three hours a week so it's not
00:24:47.820 too bad
00:24:48.900 um and you have a team and you basically
00:24:50.580 work together to get a project across
00:24:53.340 the line
00:24:54.179 um
00:24:54.840 anything that you're really passionate
00:24:56.340 about like food insecurity or
00:24:58.440 homelessness or like record expungement
00:25:00.419 you'll find a project probably that
00:25:02.280 would fit it I don't think you have to
00:25:03.539 be La based because when I was working
00:25:05.880 on it it was remote so we had some
00:25:07.500 people in New York and stuff too so
00:25:09.059 that's a really cool project
00:25:11.880 love it
00:25:15.419 we got time for at least one more yay
00:25:21.120 similar to hack for La if you want to
00:25:25.200 get involved in your local community
00:25:27.000 there are code for America brigades in
00:25:30.120 lots of different cities throughout the
00:25:31.740 US I've done some work with the DC one
00:25:34.799 you can look up your local one and they
00:25:37.320 will often already be plugged in with
00:25:39.419 some local non-profits and have open
00:25:42.480 source projects that you can contribute
00:25:44.220 to
00:25:46.620 okay my 30 minutes are up and now I can
00:25:49.020 be back on the horn here with I do have
00:25:53.340 an employer it's Rap Book we are hiring
00:25:55.700 they're pretty awesome what actually
00:25:58.200 sold me on it was an interest in running
00:26:02.039 the company transparently and
00:26:05.779 honorably equitably and they so far we
00:26:11.340 they are are doing that and that's why I
00:26:15.779 signed up certainly also to support the
00:26:18.960 project economy
00:26:20.600 that does seem to be a bit of our
00:26:22.980 Collective future
00:26:25.140 um
00:26:25.799 there have there was a talk at a prior
00:26:28.919 conference
00:26:30.059 um that the VP of engineering and one of
00:26:31.980 the engineers did talking about having
00:26:36.179 had the company all of the recruitment
00:26:41.220 funding like all of the time the
00:26:43.260 recruiters and and Talent sourcers were
00:26:46.080 spending was on finding women in
00:26:48.720 non-binary candidates and they took in
00:26:51.480 one year the number of Engineers
00:26:54.120 um they're the percent from 11 to 35.
00:26:57.600 definitely recommend that talk and or
00:27:00.000 that approach
00:27:01.260 um if that's something uh you'd like to
00:27:03.720 talk about I'm definitely down with also
00:27:06.360 organizational engagement
00:27:08.880 um specifically of our companies in our
00:27:12.299 industry
00:27:14.640 I think that's it