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Unleashing the Power of Pair Presenting: Elevate Your Conference Impact

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Unleashing the Power of Pair Presenting: Elevate Your Conference Impact

Selena Small • July 25, 2023 • online

In the presentation titled "Unleashing the Power of Pair Presenting: Elevate Your Conference Impact," Selena Small discusses the concept of peer presenting at conferences, highlighting its transformative potential for speakers and audiences. She shares her personal journey, which took her from hospitality management to becoming a tech lead and public speaker, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and diversity in tech presentations.

Key points covered in the presentation include:

  • Definition of Peer Presenting: Selena explains that peer presenting involves two speakers collaborating on a talk, thereby enhancing the experience for both the presenters and the audience. This method is rooted in collaboration, where the collective effort of two is greater than the individual contributions.

  • Importance of Diversity: She notes the significance of having diverse teams and presentations, particularly featuring both men and women as equals on stage. Selena believes that gender biases in the tech community can be challenged through visible partnerships between male and female speakers.

  • Preparation and Challenges: The complexities of preparing a joint presentation are addressed, including scheduling conflicts and the extensive time required for development. Selena shares her experience of working with Michael, her presenting partner, detailing their collaborative approach to creating engaging talks, including live coding and skits.

  • Audience Engagement: One compelling advantage of pair presenting is that it captures audience attention better than solo presentations, preventing monotony and keeping engagement levels high. Selena mentions feedback indicating that audiences find talks with dual speakers more dynamic and refreshing.

  • Allyship: Selena discusses the role of strong male allies in fostering an inclusive environment, advocating for men to support women's contributions openly in technical spaces.

  • Avoiding Tokenism: She warns against the dynamic where one speaker overshadows the other, reminiscent of the "magician's assistant" trope. Both presenters should have clearly defined roles and contributions to avoid reinforcing stereotypes.

  • Examples of Successful and Unsuccessful Peer Presentations: Selena recounts a negative experience of a local talk where the female speaker was overshadowed by her male counterpart, illustrating the pitfalls of poor peer presentation dynamics and unconscious biases.

Conclusion

Selena urges the audience to consider the merits of peer presenting by emphasizing the need for collaboration, the potential for enhanced audience engagement, and the necessity of equitably sharing roles on stage. She highlights that while challenges exist, the advantages often outweigh them, leading to a richer experience for both speakers and attendees.

In closing, she invites the audience to share their thoughts on peer presenting, underscoring the importance of discussing and refining this presentation style for greater impact in the conference scene.

Unleashing the Power of Pair Presenting: Elevate Your Conference Impact
Selena Small • July 25, 2023 • online

Discover the transformative potential of pair presenting at conferences in this captivating presentation. Explore the principles behind successful collaborations, understanding the advantages and disadvantages of this dynamic approach and how it can elevate your impact.

Gain insights into leveraging unique personalities and strengths, assessing the need for two speakers, and understanding the perception created, while incorporating engaging live code demonstrations and interactive elements.

Recognize the importance of strong male allies in fostering inclusivity and integration. Harness the power of pair presenting to maximize your conference impact, forge meaningful connections, and empower you to make a lasting impression on your audience.

https://www.wnb-rb.dev/meetups/2023/07/25

WNB.rb Meetup

00:00:00.240 great uh thanks so much for having me
00:00:03.780 um
00:00:04.620 today I'm going to be talking about peer
00:00:07.200 presenting at conferences uh I'm going
00:00:10.019 to talk about what I've learned what I
00:00:11.519 love about it and also just share a few
00:00:13.860 kind of War Stories so hopefully there's
00:00:16.680 a little bit of time at the end
00:00:18.240 um but this might go a little bit over
00:00:19.440 either way I'm pretty Keen to hear your
00:00:22.199 take as well in particular if you've
00:00:24.240 seen any like really good or really bad
00:00:26.519 peer presentations I'm really into it so
00:00:29.640 tell me about it
00:00:31.619 um but it's a relatively new member to
00:00:33.300 this group I'm going to start by sharing
00:00:35.460 a bit about myself and the kind of
00:00:37.140 presentations that I like to work on
00:00:39.600 so I'm a kiwi I'm actually from New
00:00:42.780 Zealand please don't mix that up I'm not
00:00:45.000 Australian I just live here
00:00:47.280 um
00:00:48.960 my background is in Hospitality
00:00:51.539 management but my life kind of took
00:00:53.940 unexpected twists and turns and I spent
00:00:56.640 some time studying landscape
00:00:57.960 architecture at University before
00:00:59.879 venturing into the world of business
00:01:01.320 management and accounting where I earned
00:01:03.600 a triple diploma
00:01:04.860 however my my path kind of led me to
00:01:07.500 running a nightclub working from 9 00 PM
00:01:10.439 till 7 A.M for four long years
00:01:13.439 and during that time I faced uh pretty
00:01:16.920 severe substance abuse problem and just
00:01:19.560 surrounded myself with the wrong crowd
00:01:22.259 so one day when I kind of hit rock
00:01:24.540 bottom I decided to turn my life around
00:01:26.640 completely I quit abusing substances I
00:01:30.360 entered my toxic relationship I joined a
00:01:32.700 kickboxing gym and I started teaching
00:01:35.040 myself to code
00:01:36.720 and with that I found incredible support
00:01:39.299 from friends who helped me transform my
00:01:42.360 life
00:01:44.040 fast forward nine years hey I'm now a
00:01:46.500 tech lead at Frito living in Melbourne
00:01:48.780 that's right I I think before it's 2 am
00:01:51.799 so if I make a mistake it's either
00:01:54.720 because I'm tired or you're not
00:01:57.000 understanding my New Zealand accent
00:02:01.020 um I'm
00:02:01.799 a recent state champion kickboxer
00:02:04.320 so I do a bit of Muay Thai on the side
00:02:06.899 and now I travel the world speaking Tech
00:02:10.979 conferences outside of my day job
00:02:13.560 but all that said I firmly believe that
00:02:17.160 my achievements just wouldn't have been
00:02:18.540 possible without the power of
00:02:20.160 collaboration and working closely with
00:02:22.319 others
00:02:23.760 and when it comes to speaking at Tech
00:02:25.379 conferences I have the privilege of
00:02:27.720 partnering with my friend Michael he's a
00:02:30.599 seasoned software engineer with over 20
00:02:32.160 years of experience and a father of four
00:02:34.920 and we met while working together at
00:02:36.840 Fresco and discovered we shared an
00:02:39.780 interest in public speaking
00:02:41.580 it all started and I tagged along with
00:02:44.099 Michael to a local Ruby Meetup and after
00:02:47.099 a few visits we both decided to go talks
00:02:49.980 on the same day which ignited US
00:02:52.500 that would just change our journey
00:02:53.640 forever
00:02:55.080 and since then
00:02:56.700 uh Michael and I have mostly been known
00:02:59.280 for our talk 10x development with care
00:03:01.980 programming which we've presented around
00:03:04.560 teen times all across the world
00:03:07.739 and it still remains in high demand so
00:03:10.800 what we do is we use real life skits and
00:03:13.440 demonstrations to engage our audience
00:03:15.360 and shed light on the benefits and
00:03:17.220 challenges of peer programming and while
00:03:19.620 we do tackle you know a few technical
00:03:21.780 aspects we also address important topics
00:03:24.840 like gender bias which I've personally
00:03:27.599 encountered many times within the
00:03:29.459 software Community I'm sure some of you
00:03:31.500 can relate
00:03:34.739 um and while that presentation
00:03:35.760 emphasizes kind of soft skills we
00:03:38.280 recently sought to demonstrate our
00:03:40.560 technical expertise further and we built
00:03:43.140 a ruby I'm sorry a kickboxing robot for
00:03:46.200 Rubik's in Japan earlier this year with
00:03:49.260 a quote Rube Goldberg amount of
00:03:51.900 hardware-based live demos
00:03:54.599 um that was a great time
00:03:57.599 so why do we do talks together I mean
00:04:01.080 loads of people you know in fact most
00:04:03.299 speakers go out on their own to present
00:04:06.900 and for the most part they do a
00:04:08.819 fantastic job so why don't I just do
00:04:11.220 that too like why why do I need somebody
00:04:12.900 else beside me
00:04:14.879 well there's a few reasons
00:04:17.040 first of all I'm preparing
00:04:20.459 so for the last six years I've worked in
00:04:24.540 like a 100 peer programming capacity at
00:04:27.900 Fresh Road
00:04:29.040 and that's how Michael and I started
00:04:30.660 working together as well in this 100
00:04:32.639 peer programming fashion
00:04:35.040 but peering doesn't just apply to
00:04:37.740 programming so what is it all about
00:04:40.979 peering is about collaboration and based
00:04:43.380 on the idea that the whole is greater
00:04:45.960 than the sum of its parts
00:04:48.479 in reality neither of us have been
00:04:50.580 successful at writing talks on our own
00:04:52.139 but together we seem kind of Unstoppable
00:04:55.440 and I don't know about any of you but
00:04:57.360 life is just more fun with friends
00:05:01.979 so another reason why we do it why I do
00:05:03.600 it
00:05:04.380 so I could go around telling people that
00:05:07.199 we need more diversity and complaining
00:05:09.660 that my life is hard or I get an unfair
00:05:11.400 deal because I didn't have strong
00:05:13.860 technical women role models but
00:05:16.320 complaining about it's just not going to
00:05:18.120 help anyone
00:05:19.500 so what I want to do is I want to show
00:05:21.900 people what it means to be diverse to be
00:05:24.539 Equitable that it's normal to see men
00:05:27.660 and women working together with equal
00:05:29.699 opportunities to lead and to speak and
00:05:31.919 to be on stage at Big Technical events
00:05:35.039 we're here all of us and we belong here
00:05:38.820 just like everyone else who does have a
00:05:41.400 beard
00:05:43.380 and some of that's nothing remarkable
00:05:45.539 I'll move on
00:05:47.520 I'm sure a few people are curious or
00:05:50.759 thinking you know
00:05:52.560 it's a bit odd that I'm at a wnb Meetup
00:05:55.979 discussing peer presenting when number
00:05:59.160 one my peer isn't here with me and
00:06:01.800 number two my peer is a big loud man
00:06:04.320 with a beard
00:06:05.880 so I thought it'd be interesting to
00:06:08.100 discuss the Dynamics there and what it's
00:06:10.020 like from my perspective
00:06:12.900 first I want to talk about quality
00:06:15.300 versus Equity what does that mean so
00:06:18.360 this is a classic classic example some
00:06:20.280 of you might be familiar with already
00:06:21.479 you can see on the left hand side that
00:06:23.940 equality is all about equal treatment
00:06:26.180 irrespective of status or identity
00:06:29.460 and with equity on the other hand
00:06:31.680 in some circumstances people need to be
00:06:34.380 treated differently in order to provide
00:06:36.300 meaningful equality of opportunity
00:06:40.440 another example that I'm sure we can all
00:06:42.360 relate to it takes place in the meeting
00:06:43.860 room at work
00:06:45.419 we've probably all been in that
00:06:47.039 situation where we say something in a
00:06:49.080 meeting I need to be ignored or shut
00:06:51.060 down
00:06:51.900 meanwhile our male colleagues share the
00:06:54.960 same opinion or idea and are suddenly
00:06:57.300 praised for their genius
00:06:59.759 well how can we achieve a fair share of
00:07:03.360 equity in the meeting room
00:07:08.580 an answer to that question is through
00:07:11.699 allies
00:07:13.860 for whatever reason I I don't know what
00:07:15.960 it is but men tend to be more receptive
00:07:18.780 when hearing the voices of other men uh
00:07:21.720 maybe it's something to do with you know
00:07:23.220 lack for like
00:07:25.319 by finding true male allies they can
00:07:28.319 help to promote our value and give us a
00:07:30.539 stronger voice
00:07:31.740 so how do you know if you have an ally
00:07:35.360 well they not only back up your ideas
00:07:39.240 they also highlight your participation
00:07:41.520 in generating the idea in the first
00:07:43.740 place
00:07:45.780 they help you to advertise the value
00:07:47.520 that you bring
00:07:49.199 because you know it's not obvious enough
00:07:51.000 on its own apparently in some cases
00:07:54.180 um most of the time our allies are still
00:07:57.000 learning so another way to identify them
00:07:59.460 is that they're open and they're willing
00:08:01.620 to improve the way that you're
00:08:03.000 represented
00:08:04.380 so they're really receptive to feedback
00:08:06.900 into hearing your point of view and your
00:08:08.280 feelings
00:08:09.599 so then what about conference examples
00:08:12.360 when it comes to peer presenting I like
00:08:14.759 to consider what I refer to as
00:08:17.460 The Magician's assistant
00:08:19.500 and what I mean by that is if you
00:08:21.780 imagine a magic show
00:08:23.280 there's usually a main act and he's
00:08:26.280 usually a magician
00:08:28.500 and he's usually depicted with an
00:08:30.660 assistant
00:08:31.800 a sexy dolled up woman in a revealing
00:08:34.260 outfit whose main job is to help the
00:08:35.940 magician prepare for the show and join
00:08:37.560 them on stage only to bring out props
00:08:39.839 and set up equipment and help with
00:08:41.459 tricks and illusions
00:08:42.899 you know a bit of eye candy for the
00:08:44.580 audience
00:08:46.320 this is absolutely what we aim to avoid
00:08:49.320 at all costs when peer presented thing
00:08:53.640 and Michael and I perhaps you know more
00:08:56.339 sensitive to this idea than others
00:08:57.779 because we peer present so often we're
00:09:00.420 always interested to watch the Dynamics
00:09:02.459 of other peer presenters and understand
00:09:04.500 what they do well
00:09:06.360 in particular we're very interested in
00:09:08.820 other guy girl combinations
00:09:11.100 uh there is one presentation in
00:09:13.620 particular that really upsets us
00:09:15.660 it happened at a local Meetup
00:09:18.120 there was a guy he was quite well known
00:09:20.339 in the local JavaScript Community he
00:09:22.620 decided to do a peer presentation with
00:09:24.420 his friend
00:09:25.500 a woman who was visiting from out of
00:09:27.300 town
00:09:28.040 we watched them set up and it was
00:09:31.019 obvious the presentation was running off
00:09:32.700 his machine
00:09:34.200 because he did most of the setup
00:09:36.480 right and she stood beside him
00:09:38.820 and then when it came to presentation
00:09:40.860 time it started off well she spoke first
00:09:43.860 and just a few minutes in she was kind
00:09:46.680 of
00:09:47.760 um
00:09:48.839 supposed to do a demo but had some
00:09:50.880 complications with the mappings on this
00:09:52.440 guy's keyboard and didn't quite know
00:09:54.060 where the code was running so he got up
00:09:56.760 and immediately took over
00:09:59.100 um to get it up and running before
00:10:00.660 handing it back to her okay little
00:10:03.000 hiccup not a big deal so she continued
00:10:05.940 but it wasn't long before she ran into
00:10:07.800 another issue and he took over again but
00:10:11.220 this time he did the demo himself before
00:10:13.860 continuing on with his part of the talk
00:10:16.200 so she stood there awkwardly on the
00:10:18.180 stage next to him for a few minutes
00:10:19.440 before sitting down in the audience
00:10:21.180 because well it was apparent that she
00:10:23.580 just wouldn't be needed there
00:10:26.279 there are a number of things wrong with
00:10:27.839 that picture
00:10:29.399 the talk didn't have a need for two
00:10:31.200 people it wasn't designed that way
00:10:33.240 that's that's your number one problem
00:10:36.540 although it probably wasn't intentional
00:10:39.300 she was set up to fail and kind of
00:10:42.300 looked like an idiot by not getting a
00:10:44.339 run through of the setup and not being
00:10:46.140 the one to drive the setup particularly
00:10:48.240 on someone else's machine
00:10:51.540 um and the majority of the audience
00:10:53.640 didn't notice anything wrong so we
00:10:55.920 talked to a few people afterwards and
00:10:57.660 they were surprised to hear our
00:10:59.040 interpretations
00:11:01.700 this feeds in
00:11:03.839 to people's unconscious bias about women
00:11:06.480 and their coding or technical abilities
00:11:10.820 unconscious thoughts it's an interesting
00:11:13.200 concept
00:11:14.459 so we all have these and they're
00:11:16.260 undoubtedly difficult to change so even
00:11:19.079 once a person becomes aware that they
00:11:20.700 have them
00:11:21.720 it's still pretty hard to change it
00:11:24.779 but I believe that over time and through
00:11:26.640 generations as we continue to display
00:11:28.920 enough examples strong examples of
00:11:31.740 people who contradict these biases we
00:11:34.079 can change the perception of the masses
00:11:35.760 and ultimately redefine today's
00:11:37.740 stereotypes and one way for us to help
00:11:40.620 with that is by peer presenting as men
00:11:43.380 and women who are perceived as equals by
00:11:46.019 the audience
00:11:47.459 so how do we do that
00:11:50.220 the answer is
00:11:53.339 with a great deal of difficulty a great
00:11:55.620 deal of effort and no real measure of
00:11:57.480 effectiveness
00:11:59.180 so in reality we could be going to all
00:12:02.100 this effort for nothing but I kind of
00:12:03.660 hope not
00:12:05.820 some of the things that Michael and I
00:12:07.920 put a lot of thought into when we peer
00:12:10.140 present include stage positioning so I'm
00:12:15.180 much smaller than Michael and quieter
00:12:18.540 and and shorter so I'm always a step
00:12:21.060 forward closer to the center of the
00:12:23.160 stage and and if possible I'll stand on
00:12:25.980 a small step behind the podium as well
00:12:27.600 so that we're kind of a similar height
00:12:30.680 uh we often do selfies with the audience
00:12:33.540 afterwards uh and we realized after a
00:12:36.420 couple of talks that if Michael takes
00:12:38.399 the picture he takes up most of the
00:12:40.680 picture so now I take the photo and he
00:12:43.860 takes a few steps back uh and we kind of
00:12:46.019 even up at that point
00:12:47.579 because you know you can see in some of
00:12:49.860 these pictures he's a lot bigger than I
00:12:51.360 am
00:12:52.079 uh
00:12:53.880 we think about the amount of spoken
00:12:57.240 lines so we don't split the spoken lines
00:13:00.300 50 50. in fact I speak at least 60
00:13:03.420 percent of the time but even with that
00:13:05.940 it can still seem like Michael did most
00:13:07.620 of the talking because he's got such a
00:13:09.420 much louder deeper voice so we did that
00:13:12.779 on purpose because if it was a 50 50
00:13:14.579 split
00:13:15.600 it didn't seem like he spoke 60 or 70 of
00:13:18.060 the time to the audience
00:13:20.420 we think about who is writing the code
00:13:23.760 during live demos so I try to do more of
00:13:26.760 the live demos
00:13:28.440 um although it's a bit of a battle
00:13:29.399 because he kind of likes to show off his
00:13:31.380 his skills
00:13:34.579 we think about the characters and the
00:13:37.560 personas that we play during skits as
00:13:39.360 well so Michael likes to joke around and
00:13:41.760 he kind of tends to play a bit more of a
00:13:43.740 funny kind of clown character
00:13:46.620 um but that you know that also
00:13:48.720 potentially makes me look like kind of a
00:13:50.519 hard ass or an audible which has other
00:13:52.980 negative implications for unconscious
00:13:55.139 bias of women you know particularly as I
00:13:57.240 move into leadership so I haven't
00:13:59.339 thought too much about that one yet but
00:14:00.899 it is something to keep in mind
00:14:04.740 so I mentioned it can be a great deal of
00:14:07.139 effort to consider all these factors
00:14:08.459 when playing together a peer
00:14:09.779 presentation
00:14:10.860 but let's look at some of the other
00:14:12.240 disadvantages
00:14:13.560 and then we'll get into advantages I
00:14:15.240 promise there are some
00:14:18.060 so first off the time it takes to write
00:14:20.160 the talk
00:14:21.180 anyone who's written a conference talk
00:14:22.560 before will tell you it takes a long
00:14:24.060 time a lot of time a lot of effort you
00:14:26.820 know I've heard people suggest
00:14:27.779 approximately 40 to 60 hours for a good
00:14:30.420 talk
00:14:31.920 it's a lot of effort
00:14:34.139 um we don't have stats but I suspect it
00:14:36.120 actually actually takes longer to write
00:14:38.220 a talk when you're peer presenting and
00:14:39.959 you're both equally contributing because
00:14:41.820 of the effort involved in collaborating
00:14:43.440 with other people and since we're both
00:14:45.540 pretty passionate and we have strong
00:14:46.740 opinions we find ourselves in constant
00:14:49.500 negotiation and disagreement
00:14:52.560 another obvious issue is schedule and
00:14:55.199 complex so Michael has a wife and four
00:14:57.720 kids really busy guy and until recently
00:15:01.260 I was spending about 20 hours a week
00:15:03.360 training as a professional kickboxer
00:15:06.000 um outside of my day job right and so we
00:15:08.579 both also have profession like full-time
00:15:10.500 jobs
00:15:11.760 which means it can be really difficult
00:15:13.079 for us to find time to sit down and work
00:15:14.639 together
00:15:16.440 so those are some of the disadvantages
00:15:17.940 associated with preparing for the
00:15:20.100 conference talk but when it comes to the
00:15:21.899 conference itself there are some
00:15:23.760 additional disadvantages
00:15:25.560 so one big uh one of the biggest ones is
00:15:27.959 cost uh
00:15:30.000 our companies have a small learning
00:15:33.000 budget that we can put towards travel
00:15:34.620 for conferences and while some
00:15:37.079 conferences will sponsor speakers meet
00:15:39.660 them in community run and can't afford
00:15:41.279 to bring International speakers or they
00:15:43.560 can only afford to pack for one speaker
00:15:45.380 and since we live so far from America
00:15:48.779 and Europe and the whole rest of the
00:15:50.459 world and we were in Australian dollars
00:15:53.940 um it limits us on which kind of
00:15:55.380 conferences we can attend
00:15:58.040 the final disadvantage that I'll speak
00:16:00.420 about today is one that really irks me
00:16:03.440 when a man and a woman spend time
00:16:06.000 together or work on a hobby project
00:16:08.399 the general assumption is
00:16:10.560 they must be married
00:16:13.440 so i s I constantly have people at
00:16:15.839 conferences asking me off to the side
00:16:17.699 whether Michael is my husband or
00:16:19.079 boyfriend
00:16:20.660 this one particularly irritates me
00:16:23.880 because number one I'm Nobody's Wife
00:16:28.380 number two
00:16:30.180 it's reflective of a larger societal
00:16:32.760 problem that a man and a woman cannot
00:16:34.680 possibly be friends
00:16:36.300 number three it implies that the only
00:16:39.000 reason I would even be at a developers
00:16:41.820 conference is because my husband is
00:16:44.220 there
00:16:46.560 we do have we do have a new marketing
00:16:48.779 strategy though and I think we're
00:16:50.519 thinking of advertising
00:16:53.160 sister brother Duo Selena and Michael
00:16:57.180 so maybe that will help
00:17:01.680 but it's not all bad
00:17:03.959 there's also a huge number of advantages
00:17:06.480 to peer presenting this is the this is
00:17:09.120 the juicy bit
00:17:10.559 in fact
00:17:12.419 a lot of advantages are really similar
00:17:15.000 to those of peer programming
00:17:18.679 so when coming up with your topic and
00:17:21.240 writing your talk you get a much faster
00:17:23.160 feedback loop just like peer programming
00:17:26.400 so you've got someone else who's also
00:17:28.319 passionate about the project and can
00:17:30.179 provide a difference perspective in
00:17:32.880 almost real time
00:17:35.100 and having that extra person helps you
00:17:37.500 feel motivated and accountable and
00:17:41.580 actually result and can actually result
00:17:43.860 in finishing your presentation with less
00:17:46.080 stress believe it or not
00:17:48.140 and when it comes to the presentation
00:17:50.160 itself having somebody with you on the
00:17:51.960 stage can be a real confidence boost
00:17:53.400 especially in the circumstances where
00:17:55.140 the crowd is starting to fade
00:17:57.539 so I have an example uh rails rails comp
00:18:02.100 2019 in Minneapolis
00:18:04.140 Michael and I went over there to present
00:18:06.360 a two-able workshop a multi-layer
00:18:08.640 outside in DDD
00:18:10.380 and because of a scheduled conflict and
00:18:12.480 just having workshops and talks running
00:18:14.160 at the same time we've got about an hour
00:18:16.679 into our workshop and then all of a
00:18:19.020 sudden half of the room just got up and
00:18:21.000 left
00:18:22.320 um because obviously there's another
00:18:23.400 exciting talk happening
00:18:25.559 and I just remember the feeling and I
00:18:27.600 was just completely disheartened and
00:18:30.360 I honestly don't know if I could have
00:18:32.039 stood there and kept going
00:18:34.020 um if it wasn't for having somebody on
00:18:35.760 the stage next to me that was also going
00:18:37.440 through that experience and you know us
00:18:40.200 kind of helping you know like pulling
00:18:42.960 each other along
00:18:46.160 we've also received feedback about
00:18:48.480 engagement from the audience so it seems
00:18:50.700 quite clear that by breaking up the talk
00:18:53.400 with two different voices a wider range
00:18:55.860 of people feel engaged by the content
00:18:57.840 and they find it easier to stay focused
00:19:00.900 and that's particularly relevant to Long
00:19:03.059 presentations so earlier this year we
00:19:05.640 spoke at a conference with one hour time
00:19:07.380 slots and we heard from a number of
00:19:09.299 people that even the most entertaining
00:19:11.820 speakers just started to sound like they
00:19:13.500 were droning on by the end of their
00:19:15.120 presentations
00:19:16.320 so it was really refreshing for them to
00:19:18.240 have you know two voices to break up an
00:19:20.220 ally
00:19:22.620 when attending a conference as a speaker
00:19:24.600 there's more that happens though than
00:19:26.220 just giving your talk
00:19:27.980 there's also a huge opportunity to
00:19:30.600 network with new and interesting people
00:19:32.400 from all around the world
00:19:34.140 but you know approaching people can be
00:19:37.500 intimidating because you might feel
00:19:39.080 subconscious or over the thing the way
00:19:41.580 that they'll judge you or have social
00:19:43.380 anxiety or you know many other reasons
00:19:48.000 personally I find it very difficult to
00:19:50.400 approach people who I've never met
00:19:51.539 before
00:19:52.919 um and I find it extremely difficult to
00:19:55.380 just start conversations even with
00:19:57.660 people who I already know
00:19:59.760 so having a friend with me not only
00:20:01.980 helps me to have more confidence walking
00:20:04.020 into a room full of people who I don't
00:20:05.940 know but also to approach people without
00:20:08.640 fear of rejection so because if I I kind
00:20:12.120 of know in the back of my mind if that
00:20:13.440 was to happen I would never end up
00:20:15.480 sitting in the corner by myself because
00:20:17.460 I always have a friend that I can talk
00:20:18.840 to
00:20:19.740 and you know added bonus Mike was a big
00:20:22.740 time social butterfly so I happen to
00:20:24.900 also get pulled into conversations that
00:20:27.120 I might not have had the courage to walk
00:20:28.740 into on my own or been even involved in
00:20:31.740 in the first place
00:20:40.200 there is safety in numbers
00:20:41.940 so we like to attend all the social
00:20:43.500 events many of which involve some
00:20:45.840 drinking and some late nights and big
00:20:48.000 crowds and when we're in a different
00:20:50.220 country I can feel really safe getting
00:20:52.140 to and from these events at night
00:20:53.760 because I've brought a friend with me
00:20:55.200 and he's probably bigger than everyone
00:20:56.820 in the street anyway
00:20:59.160 um
00:20:59.820 but Michael also at times acts as a
00:21:03.419 block I don't know if you know that term
00:21:05.400 block yes that's what I'm saying
00:21:07.860 that's the unfortunate part actually is
00:21:10.140 the fact that I even need one right
00:21:13.320 I mentioned earlier that I think men are
00:21:16.380 often intimidated by Confident Woman and
00:21:19.320 that many people
00:21:21.660 um sorry that company and that many
00:21:23.520 people make the Assumption I'm alive
00:21:25.380 well the reality is that usually by the
00:21:28.140 time we get to the after party areas
00:21:30.240 have been broken down drinks have been
00:21:32.100 had and it's become common knowledge
00:21:33.600 that Michael and I are just friends
00:21:35.039 right
00:21:36.720 so maybe it doesn't seem like a big deal
00:21:38.400 but in my mind
00:21:41.100 it's effing unprofessional to hit on
00:21:44.820 conference attendees at a conference at
00:21:46.860 a conference event and I feel that it
00:21:49.320 undermines my credibility it invalidates
00:21:52.140 the value of my presentation and implies
00:21:54.720 again that I may be only useful there as
00:21:57.120 a piece of eye candy
00:22:00.120 um
00:22:04.380 but I'm not going to dwell on the
00:22:06.000 negative
00:22:07.080 um it's just one of the kind of aspects
00:22:08.760 uh
00:22:10.440 I've I've obviously sorry I've been
00:22:12.419 talking a lot I think I might be going
00:22:14.039 over time I've covered a lot of content
00:22:15.720 in a really short amount of time and I
00:22:17.520 hope you've enjoyed some of the stories
00:22:18.960 but I also hope that I've helped raise a
00:22:20.880 bit of awareness about what it means to
00:22:22.320 give because of peer presentations so
00:22:24.480 I'm just going to recap on the key
00:22:25.679 principles
00:22:27.659 first of all if you're going to do it
00:22:29.400 there has to be a need for two speakers
00:22:32.520 um give both speakers a purpose if
00:22:34.740 you've got a one-person talk and you try
00:22:37.140 and make two people do it it's not
00:22:39.059 really that much extra value to be had
00:22:42.780 Equity versus equality remember the
00:22:45.360 difference Equity takes into account
00:22:47.039 people's disadvantages so to be equal
00:22:49.919 the soft to spoken person needs to speak
00:22:52.260 more to be equal the shorter person
00:22:54.419 needs to be closer to the audience or
00:22:56.520 you know elevated
00:22:58.740 to be equal the less technical person
00:23:01.200 needs to write the code or talk more
00:23:03.840 about the technical topics
00:23:07.140 do not be the magician's assistant it's
00:23:09.480 really just a bad look for all of us
00:23:11.100 don't put your hand up and then Rock up
00:23:13.860 there and not know what's going on and
00:23:15.720 stand beside someone who does a
00:23:17.100 presentation
00:23:18.600 um it's not going to look good for you
00:23:19.980 it's not going to look good for anyone
00:23:21.360 although apparently some people in the
00:23:23.940 audience might not notice because
00:23:25.559 they'll think it's normal
00:23:28.200 unconscious bias is real this is only
00:23:30.960 going to change slowly and over time so
00:23:32.700 we really just have to persevere
00:23:35.640 bye girl combo for the win
00:23:37.860 because it normalizes portraying men and
00:23:40.260 women as equals
00:23:42.000 and this is what we really want to see
00:23:44.820 and conferences love Live code live
00:23:48.299 demos
00:23:49.740 it's not really specific to peer
00:23:51.299 presenting it's just a fact that people
00:23:52.919 love to see Live code and live demos and
00:23:55.559 if we could see more women doing them at
00:23:57.659 conferences it would help to normalize
00:24:00.179 seeing women as super technical the way
00:24:03.600 that we see various other people who do
00:24:06.419 Live code and live demos
00:24:10.020 so if you're going to do a talk try to
00:24:12.360 do a Live code or live demos
00:24:16.620 Michael and I believe in trying things
00:24:18.539 failing fast and learning often so we
00:24:21.240 are failure driven you can find our past
00:24:23.580 talks at earlier Dash driven.com or on
00:24:25.860 YouTube and next up for us I'm going to
00:24:28.140 be heading off to Copenhagen developer
00:24:30.059 Festival where I'll be presenting for
00:24:31.620 the first time a new talk develop a
00:24:34.380 SmackDown
00:24:35.460 I told the debates various tools and
00:24:37.500 design choices when building software
00:24:39.500 and in October you can catch us at
00:24:41.700 rubyconf Thailand for Ruby versus
00:24:43.260 kickboxer version two if you've seen the
00:24:45.720 first one and thanks very much again for
00:24:48.120 listening please feel free to reach out
00:24:49.740 with any questions or comments let me
00:24:52.140 know what you think
00:24:53.280 um let me know what you think about uh
00:24:55.440 peer presenting if you've seen any good
00:24:57.659 ones or bad ones
00:24:59.940 um and any of the things that I've
00:25:01.380 talked about or anything else
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