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great uh thanks so much for having me
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um
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today I'm going to be talking about peer
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presenting at conferences uh I'm going
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to talk about what I've learned what I
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love about it and also just share a few
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kind of War Stories so hopefully there's
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a little bit of time at the end
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um but this might go a little bit over
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either way I'm pretty Keen to hear your
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take as well in particular if you've
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seen any like really good or really bad
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peer presentations I'm really into it so
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tell me about it
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um but it's a relatively new member to
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this group I'm going to start by sharing
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a bit about myself and the kind of
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presentations that I like to work on
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so I'm a kiwi I'm actually from New
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Zealand please don't mix that up I'm not
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Australian I just live here
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um
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my background is in Hospitality
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management but my life kind of took
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unexpected twists and turns and I spent
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some time studying landscape
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architecture at University before
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venturing into the world of business
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management and accounting where I earned
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a triple diploma
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however my my path kind of led me to
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running a nightclub working from 9 00 PM
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till 7 A.M for four long years
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and during that time I faced uh pretty
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severe substance abuse problem and just
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surrounded myself with the wrong crowd
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so one day when I kind of hit rock
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bottom I decided to turn my life around
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completely I quit abusing substances I
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entered my toxic relationship I joined a
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kickboxing gym and I started teaching
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myself to code
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and with that I found incredible support
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from friends who helped me transform my
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life
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fast forward nine years hey I'm now a
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tech lead at Frito living in Melbourne
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that's right I I think before it's 2 am
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so if I make a mistake it's either
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because I'm tired or you're not
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understanding my New Zealand accent
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um I'm
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a recent state champion kickboxer
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so I do a bit of Muay Thai on the side
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and now I travel the world speaking Tech
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conferences outside of my day job
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but all that said I firmly believe that
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my achievements just wouldn't have been
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possible without the power of
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collaboration and working closely with
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others
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and when it comes to speaking at Tech
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conferences I have the privilege of
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partnering with my friend Michael he's a
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seasoned software engineer with over 20
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years of experience and a father of four
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and we met while working together at
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Fresco and discovered we shared an
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interest in public speaking
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it all started and I tagged along with
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Michael to a local Ruby Meetup and after
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a few visits we both decided to go talks
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on the same day which ignited US
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that would just change our journey
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forever
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and since then
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uh Michael and I have mostly been known
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for our talk 10x development with care
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programming which we've presented around
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teen times all across the world
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and it still remains in high demand so
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what we do is we use real life skits and
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demonstrations to engage our audience
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and shed light on the benefits and
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challenges of peer programming and while
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we do tackle you know a few technical
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aspects we also address important topics
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like gender bias which I've personally
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encountered many times within the
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software Community I'm sure some of you
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can relate
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um and while that presentation
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emphasizes kind of soft skills we
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recently sought to demonstrate our
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technical expertise further and we built
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a ruby I'm sorry a kickboxing robot for
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Rubik's in Japan earlier this year with
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a quote Rube Goldberg amount of
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hardware-based live demos
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um that was a great time
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so why do we do talks together I mean
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loads of people you know in fact most
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speakers go out on their own to present
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and for the most part they do a
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fantastic job so why don't I just do
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that too like why why do I need somebody
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else beside me
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well there's a few reasons
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first of all I'm preparing
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so for the last six years I've worked in
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like a 100 peer programming capacity at
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Fresh Road
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and that's how Michael and I started
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working together as well in this 100
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peer programming fashion
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but peering doesn't just apply to
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programming so what is it all about
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peering is about collaboration and based
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on the idea that the whole is greater
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than the sum of its parts
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in reality neither of us have been
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successful at writing talks on our own
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but together we seem kind of Unstoppable
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and I don't know about any of you but
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life is just more fun with friends
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so another reason why we do it why I do
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it
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so I could go around telling people that
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we need more diversity and complaining
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that my life is hard or I get an unfair
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deal because I didn't have strong
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technical women role models but
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complaining about it's just not going to
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help anyone
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so what I want to do is I want to show
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people what it means to be diverse to be
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Equitable that it's normal to see men
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and women working together with equal
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opportunities to lead and to speak and
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to be on stage at Big Technical events
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we're here all of us and we belong here
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just like everyone else who does have a
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beard
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and some of that's nothing remarkable
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I'll move on
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I'm sure a few people are curious or
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thinking you know
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it's a bit odd that I'm at a wnb Meetup
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discussing peer presenting when number
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one my peer isn't here with me and
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number two my peer is a big loud man
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with a beard
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so I thought it'd be interesting to
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discuss the Dynamics there and what it's
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like from my perspective
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first I want to talk about quality
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versus Equity what does that mean so
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this is a classic classic example some
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of you might be familiar with already
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you can see on the left hand side that
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equality is all about equal treatment
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irrespective of status or identity
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and with equity on the other hand
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in some circumstances people need to be
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treated differently in order to provide
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meaningful equality of opportunity
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another example that I'm sure we can all
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relate to it takes place in the meeting
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room at work
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we've probably all been in that
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situation where we say something in a
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meeting I need to be ignored or shut
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down
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meanwhile our male colleagues share the
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same opinion or idea and are suddenly
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praised for their genius
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well how can we achieve a fair share of
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equity in the meeting room
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an answer to that question is through
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allies
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for whatever reason I I don't know what
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it is but men tend to be more receptive
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when hearing the voices of other men uh
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maybe it's something to do with you know
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lack for like
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by finding true male allies they can
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help to promote our value and give us a
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stronger voice
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so how do you know if you have an ally
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well they not only back up your ideas
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they also highlight your participation
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in generating the idea in the first
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place
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they help you to advertise the value
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that you bring
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because you know it's not obvious enough
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on its own apparently in some cases
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um most of the time our allies are still
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learning so another way to identify them
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is that they're open and they're willing
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to improve the way that you're
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represented
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so they're really receptive to feedback
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into hearing your point of view and your
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feelings
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so then what about conference examples
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when it comes to peer presenting I like
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to consider what I refer to as
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The Magician's assistant
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and what I mean by that is if you
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imagine a magic show
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there's usually a main act and he's
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usually a magician
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and he's usually depicted with an
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assistant
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a sexy dolled up woman in a revealing
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outfit whose main job is to help the
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magician prepare for the show and join
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them on stage only to bring out props
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and set up equipment and help with
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tricks and illusions
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you know a bit of eye candy for the
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audience
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this is absolutely what we aim to avoid
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at all costs when peer presented thing
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and Michael and I perhaps you know more
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sensitive to this idea than others
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because we peer present so often we're
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always interested to watch the Dynamics
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of other peer presenters and understand
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what they do well
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in particular we're very interested in
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other guy girl combinations
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uh there is one presentation in
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particular that really upsets us
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it happened at a local Meetup
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there was a guy he was quite well known
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in the local JavaScript Community he
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decided to do a peer presentation with
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his friend
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a woman who was visiting from out of
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town
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we watched them set up and it was
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obvious the presentation was running off
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his machine
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because he did most of the setup
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right and she stood beside him
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and then when it came to presentation
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time it started off well she spoke first
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and just a few minutes in she was kind
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of
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um
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supposed to do a demo but had some
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complications with the mappings on this
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guy's keyboard and didn't quite know
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where the code was running so he got up
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and immediately took over
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um to get it up and running before
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handing it back to her okay little
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hiccup not a big deal so she continued
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but it wasn't long before she ran into
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another issue and he took over again but
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this time he did the demo himself before
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continuing on with his part of the talk
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so she stood there awkwardly on the
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stage next to him for a few minutes
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before sitting down in the audience
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because well it was apparent that she
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just wouldn't be needed there
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there are a number of things wrong with
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that picture
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the talk didn't have a need for two
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people it wasn't designed that way
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that's that's your number one problem
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although it probably wasn't intentional
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she was set up to fail and kind of
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looked like an idiot by not getting a
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run through of the setup and not being
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the one to drive the setup particularly
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on someone else's machine
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um and the majority of the audience
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didn't notice anything wrong so we
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talked to a few people afterwards and
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they were surprised to hear our
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interpretations
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this feeds in
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to people's unconscious bias about women
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and their coding or technical abilities
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unconscious thoughts it's an interesting
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concept
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so we all have these and they're
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undoubtedly difficult to change so even
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once a person becomes aware that they
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have them
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it's still pretty hard to change it
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but I believe that over time and through
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generations as we continue to display
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enough examples strong examples of
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people who contradict these biases we
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can change the perception of the masses
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and ultimately redefine today's
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stereotypes and one way for us to help
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with that is by peer presenting as men
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and women who are perceived as equals by
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the audience
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so how do we do that
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the answer is
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with a great deal of difficulty a great
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deal of effort and no real measure of
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effectiveness
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so in reality we could be going to all
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this effort for nothing but I kind of
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hope not
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some of the things that Michael and I
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put a lot of thought into when we peer
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present include stage positioning so I'm
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much smaller than Michael and quieter
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and and shorter so I'm always a step
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forward closer to the center of the
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stage and and if possible I'll stand on
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a small step behind the podium as well
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so that we're kind of a similar height
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uh we often do selfies with the audience
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afterwards uh and we realized after a
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couple of talks that if Michael takes
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the picture he takes up most of the
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picture so now I take the photo and he
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takes a few steps back uh and we kind of
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even up at that point
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because you know you can see in some of
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these pictures he's a lot bigger than I
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am
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uh
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we think about the amount of spoken
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lines so we don't split the spoken lines
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50 50. in fact I speak at least 60
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percent of the time but even with that
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it can still seem like Michael did most
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of the talking because he's got such a
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much louder deeper voice so we did that
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on purpose because if it was a 50 50
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split
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it didn't seem like he spoke 60 or 70 of
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the time to the audience
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we think about who is writing the code
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during live demos so I try to do more of
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the live demos
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um although it's a bit of a battle
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because he kind of likes to show off his
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his skills
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we think about the characters and the
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personas that we play during skits as
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well so Michael likes to joke around and
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he kind of tends to play a bit more of a
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funny kind of clown character
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um but that you know that also
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potentially makes me look like kind of a
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hard ass or an audible which has other
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negative implications for unconscious
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bias of women you know particularly as I
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move into leadership so I haven't
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thought too much about that one yet but
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it is something to keep in mind
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so I mentioned it can be a great deal of
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effort to consider all these factors
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when playing together a peer
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presentation
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but let's look at some of the other
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disadvantages
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and then we'll get into advantages I
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promise there are some
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so first off the time it takes to write
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the talk
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anyone who's written a conference talk
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before will tell you it takes a long
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time a lot of time a lot of effort you
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know I've heard people suggest
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approximately 40 to 60 hours for a good
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talk
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it's a lot of effort
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um we don't have stats but I suspect it
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actually actually takes longer to write
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a talk when you're peer presenting and
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you're both equally contributing because
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of the effort involved in collaborating
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with other people and since we're both
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pretty passionate and we have strong
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opinions we find ourselves in constant
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negotiation and disagreement
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another obvious issue is schedule and
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complex so Michael has a wife and four
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kids really busy guy and until recently
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I was spending about 20 hours a week
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training as a professional kickboxer
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um outside of my day job right and so we
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both also have profession like full-time
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jobs
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which means it can be really difficult
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for us to find time to sit down and work
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together
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so those are some of the disadvantages
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associated with preparing for the
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conference talk but when it comes to the
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conference itself there are some
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additional disadvantages
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so one big uh one of the biggest ones is
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cost uh
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our companies have a small learning
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budget that we can put towards travel
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for conferences and while some
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conferences will sponsor speakers meet
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them in community run and can't afford
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to bring International speakers or they
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can only afford to pack for one speaker
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and since we live so far from America
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and Europe and the whole rest of the
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world and we were in Australian dollars
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um it limits us on which kind of
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conferences we can attend
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the final disadvantage that I'll speak
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about today is one that really irks me
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when a man and a woman spend time
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together or work on a hobby project
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the general assumption is
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they must be married
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so i s I constantly have people at
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conferences asking me off to the side
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whether Michael is my husband or
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boyfriend
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this one particularly irritates me
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because number one I'm Nobody's Wife
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number two
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it's reflective of a larger societal
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problem that a man and a woman cannot
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possibly be friends
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number three it implies that the only
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reason I would even be at a developers
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conference is because my husband is
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there
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we do have we do have a new marketing
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strategy though and I think we're
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thinking of advertising
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sister brother Duo Selena and Michael
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so maybe that will help
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but it's not all bad
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there's also a huge number of advantages
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to peer presenting this is the this is
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the juicy bit
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in fact
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a lot of advantages are really similar
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to those of peer programming
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so when coming up with your topic and
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writing your talk you get a much faster
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feedback loop just like peer programming
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so you've got someone else who's also
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passionate about the project and can
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provide a difference perspective in
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almost real time
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and having that extra person helps you
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feel motivated and accountable and
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actually result and can actually result
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in finishing your presentation with less
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stress believe it or not
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and when it comes to the presentation
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itself having somebody with you on the
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stage can be a real confidence boost
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especially in the circumstances where
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the crowd is starting to fade
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so I have an example uh rails rails comp
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2019 in Minneapolis
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Michael and I went over there to present
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a two-able workshop a multi-layer
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outside in DDD
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and because of a scheduled conflict and
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just having workshops and talks running
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at the same time we've got about an hour
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into our workshop and then all of a
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sudden half of the room just got up and
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left
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um because obviously there's another
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exciting talk happening
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and I just remember the feeling and I
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was just completely disheartened and
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I honestly don't know if I could have
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stood there and kept going
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um if it wasn't for having somebody on
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the stage next to me that was also going
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through that experience and you know us
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kind of helping you know like pulling
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each other along
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we've also received feedback about
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engagement from the audience so it seems
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quite clear that by breaking up the talk
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with two different voices a wider range
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of people feel engaged by the content
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and they find it easier to stay focused
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and that's particularly relevant to Long
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presentations so earlier this year we
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spoke at a conference with one hour time
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slots and we heard from a number of
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people that even the most entertaining
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speakers just started to sound like they
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were droning on by the end of their
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presentations
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so it was really refreshing for them to
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have you know two voices to break up an
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ally
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when attending a conference as a speaker
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there's more that happens though than
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just giving your talk
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there's also a huge opportunity to
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network with new and interesting people
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from all around the world
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but you know approaching people can be
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intimidating because you might feel
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subconscious or over the thing the way
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that they'll judge you or have social
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anxiety or you know many other reasons
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personally I find it very difficult to
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approach people who I've never met
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before
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um and I find it extremely difficult to
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just start conversations even with
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people who I already know
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so having a friend with me not only
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helps me to have more confidence walking
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into a room full of people who I don't
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know but also to approach people without
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fear of rejection so because if I I kind
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of know in the back of my mind if that
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was to happen I would never end up
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sitting in the corner by myself because
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I always have a friend that I can talk
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to
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and you know added bonus Mike was a big
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time social butterfly so I happen to
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also get pulled into conversations that
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I might not have had the courage to walk
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into on my own or been even involved in
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in the first place
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there is safety in numbers
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so we like to attend all the social
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events many of which involve some
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drinking and some late nights and big
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crowds and when we're in a different
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country I can feel really safe getting
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to and from these events at night
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because I've brought a friend with me
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and he's probably bigger than everyone
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in the street anyway
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um
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but Michael also at times acts as a
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block I don't know if you know that term
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block yes that's what I'm saying
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that's the unfortunate part actually is
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the fact that I even need one right
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I mentioned earlier that I think men are
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often intimidated by Confident Woman and
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that many people
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um sorry that company and that many
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people make the Assumption I'm alive
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well the reality is that usually by the
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time we get to the after party areas
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have been broken down drinks have been
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had and it's become common knowledge
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that Michael and I are just friends
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right
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so maybe it doesn't seem like a big deal
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but in my mind
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it's effing unprofessional to hit on
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conference attendees at a conference at
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a conference event and I feel that it
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undermines my credibility it invalidates
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the value of my presentation and implies
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again that I may be only useful there as
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a piece of eye candy
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um
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but I'm not going to dwell on the
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negative
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um it's just one of the kind of aspects
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uh
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I've I've obviously sorry I've been
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talking a lot I think I might be going
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over time I've covered a lot of content
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in a really short amount of time and I
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hope you've enjoyed some of the stories
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but I also hope that I've helped raise a
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bit of awareness about what it means to
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give because of peer presentations so
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I'm just going to recap on the key
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principles
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first of all if you're going to do it
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there has to be a need for two speakers
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um give both speakers a purpose if
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you've got a one-person talk and you try
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and make two people do it it's not
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really that much extra value to be had
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Equity versus equality remember the
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difference Equity takes into account
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people's disadvantages so to be equal
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the soft to spoken person needs to speak
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more to be equal the shorter person
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needs to be closer to the audience or
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you know elevated
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to be equal the less technical person
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needs to write the code or talk more
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about the technical topics
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do not be the magician's assistant it's
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really just a bad look for all of us
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don't put your hand up and then Rock up
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there and not know what's going on and
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stand beside someone who does a
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presentation
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um it's not going to look good for you
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it's not going to look good for anyone
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although apparently some people in the
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audience might not notice because
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they'll think it's normal
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unconscious bias is real this is only
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going to change slowly and over time so
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we really just have to persevere
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bye girl combo for the win
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because it normalizes portraying men and
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women as equals
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and this is what we really want to see
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and conferences love Live code live
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demos
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it's not really specific to peer
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presenting it's just a fact that people
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love to see Live code and live demos and
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if we could see more women doing them at
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conferences it would help to normalize
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seeing women as super technical the way
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that we see various other people who do
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Live code and live demos
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so if you're going to do a talk try to
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do a Live code or live demos
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Michael and I believe in trying things
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failing fast and learning often so we
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are failure driven you can find our past
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talks at earlier Dash driven.com or on
00:24:25.860
YouTube and next up for us I'm going to
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be heading off to Copenhagen developer
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Festival where I'll be presenting for
00:24:31.620
the first time a new talk develop a
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SmackDown
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I told the debates various tools and
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design choices when building software
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and in October you can catch us at
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rubyconf Thailand for Ruby versus
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kickboxer version two if you've seen the
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first one and thanks very much again for
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listening please feel free to reach out
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with any questions or comments let me
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know what you think
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um let me know what you think about uh
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peer presenting if you've seen any good
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ones or bad ones
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um and any of the things that I've
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talked about or anything else