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Hi! I actually have to correct my own little blurb for the conference. He was three months old when I submitted it, but he's actually six now. It turns out that babies get older, right? So I'm here to talk to you all about handling the combination of parenting and programming.
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I don't know about you, but I find it's really easy to feel that programming can take over your whole life. By the time you've got work to do, trying to contribute to open source, maybe work on your own projects, go to meetups, or attend conferences— even awesome conferences like this one— it all takes a lot of time. And if you have kids, you know that quickly becomes a 24/7 sort of activity.
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So, this talk is about trying to combine the two. Out of interest, how many people here have kids?
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Okay, that's most of the room. Anyone here who doesn't have kids but thinks it might happen one day? Okay, yeah, I didn't want to be like, 'Okay, who's planning on having kids?' for fear of your employer going, 'Um... okay.'
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So, there were a couple of hands there. Now, how many people just thought this might be a laid-back talk for lunch? Yeah, fair enough. Hopefully, it shouldn't be too stressful.
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So, why talk about parenting and programming? I proposed this talk primarily because when I was a beginning developer, I thought that I would probably have kids one day. However, I couldn't quite imagine how to combine that.
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Was it possible to work from home while you were taking care of a kid at home? Could you still do the things that I really enjoyed, like contributing to open source and coming to things like this?
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You can sort of see I like to try and plan ahead a bit. So, I searched online but couldn't find much discussion around it. So, I felt I wanted to add some more discussion around this.
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I hoped to help out people who might be in the same situation I was in a few years ago. Then I had a child, and I really needed some advice on what I should be doing and what I was doing wrong.
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So, why me? I'm not an expert. I'm really not qualified to give this talk. I have a six-month-old, and my husband has been on parental leave for six months. As of two weeks ago, I'm now trying to stay at home, look after him, and work on this presentation.
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So, I quickly learned this is quite a challenge. I'm not an expert, but I know a lot of people who've already been in my shoes.
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So, what I did was send out a survey and ask programming parents from around the world questions.
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I got a great selection of responses from all sorts of places and backgrounds in programming life— North America, South America, Europe, Australasia, and from parents whose kids ranged from six weeks to 21 years old.
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People who develop in Ruby, JavaScript, Objective-C, PHP, Python— employees, business owners, contractors, and the self-employed.
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So this talk is the collective wisdom of what they shared with me. I've divided this talk into three major sections: the big picture, the overall guiding principles of good ideas and bad ideas, handling the day-to-day stuff, and suggestions on what everyone else could do— and things that companies in the community can do to help support programming parents.
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Now, the number one thing mentioned by basically everyone is to know your priorities. Some people were a little circumspect about this.
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You know, I found I couldn't do both to the best of my ability. One of them had to come second. Make a conscious choice about which one it will be. Others were more direct: the best option is to prioritize your child.
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It really is a decision you have to make yourself. But whichever way you go, the truth is you can only have one top priority. If you think it over and make a conscious choice, you'll feel much more at peace with the decisions that you make.
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So, be aware of what your priority is: your parenting or your programming. Always ensure that the right one takes precedence.
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Another important thing is that children age, and this is just a stage of your life. In the future, you may even look back on it as quite a short stage. Things change every day, and what works will change constantly as your children grow.
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Of course, this also means that the moment you think you've got it figured out, you don't. But they primarily change in a good way.
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What seems impossible when you have really small children often becomes possible again as they grow. A lot of people cut out open source and community things when their kids were babies and found that, as they got older, especially towards school age, things became much more possible again.
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It gets easier— it's hard to find time with a one-year-old, easier with a three-year-old, and then even easier again at school.
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I organize meetups and participate in open source. I was not doing that when the kids were babies. So, relax! You can't have it all, just not all the time.
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There will be times when you focus on work and open source, attend meetups and conferences. And there will be months, or even years, when you can’t.
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It's okay. Give yourself permission to not constantly be present in your career.
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Another major principle is to be kind to yourself and not sacrifice your own happiness for others. Think about the emergency instructions or oxygen masks on airplanes: take care of yourself first, then take care of your kids.
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Also, try and avoid guilt. I know it’s hard. Someone said that in their first few years as a parent, they frequently felt like they were a bad parent and a bad programmer because they couldn't dedicate enough time to both.
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Just do what you can with the time available and know that you’re doing the best you can, and that’s okay.
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You've also got a new normal once you have a child. I think one mistake we make when having babies is expecting we can go back to our old selves right away.
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Give yourself time to figure out your new setup and how to handle your life now.
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Of course, your mileage may vary. Take any advice, including all of this, with a grain of salt. Figure out what works for you and ignore the rest.
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Do whatever works, even if it's unconventional. People have different situations and temperaments, and so do their kids.
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It’s completely valid to do what you need to get through. Don’t assume whatever works for you will work for everyone else.
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So, those are the major principles I collected. Now, let’s talk about dealing with the day-to-day.
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When working from home, there are basically two categories: when you’re in charge of the children and when you aren't.
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If you're in charge of the children, there’s one piece of advice I got from everyone: don’t. It’s pretty much universal.
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Someone said, 'I thought I could work and watch the kids at the same time.' Haha, not possible. If you're on kid duty, don't even bother working.
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I can definitely agree; you just get to the end of the day and think, 'Have I gotten anything done?' You end up stressing about it, and you still have nothing to show for it.
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It would have been better off to just not try to work at all when you're in charge of kids.
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Another thing that was discussed a lot was the influence of watching you use technology on children.
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Programming while taking care of your kids isn't really good since kids do what you do. That means you'd be encouraging them to use a computer, iPad, or TV a lot.
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They just see that you're on a screen, and they don't understand that you're working, not just having fun.
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Probably, some of the time, you are just having fun, so there's some validity to that.
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I don't really like using a computer too much around small kids; it encourages them to think sitting in front of a screen most of the day is good.
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They should see you being active outdoors or reading. However, sometimes you don’t have a choice.
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If you must work from home with the kids there, there are some suggestions. If possible, arrange for childcare in any way you can manage.
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I had to hire part-time help to give me time to actually get anything done.
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One workable solution in our case was hiring my mom as a live-in nanny or getting babysitters or daycare services.
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If you have to work and you’re in charge of the kids, try to not be in charge of the kids.
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Sleep when the kids are sleeping, not when you're sleeping. When the kids are asleep is the best time to shrink your workload.
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Ultimately, when they’re a bit older and when they’re playing on their own, or of course at school, it gets much easier.
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I mostly worked while my son was napping, and a lot of the time after he was put to bed.
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So, I worked something like 8 p.m. to 1 a.m. many days. One thing I found is that when I put my son down for a nap, he could nap for 20 minutes or four hours.
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It's normally at least an hour, but after that point I’m just waiting for him, thinking, 'I can't start working now because he’ll wake up any minute.'
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Then I’d be like, 'Okay, well he just slept for four hours, why did I get nothing done?' But in my mind, I hadn’t actually counted on that.
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So, nighttime is sort of the ideal time to get a lot of work done.
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However, there is of course a danger in this. It's important to find a good rhythm.
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I found my sleep hygiene is hugely important to my mood, motivation, and problem-solving ability.
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Again, back to looking after your own needs first. Don't sacrifice your sleep just to try and get your programming done.
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If you’re staying up until 4:00 a.m. trying to work and then have to get up at 8:00 to mind the kids, that may work for a day but it’s not sustainable.
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So, it’s not a good idea.
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If you're trying to work from home and the kids are there, but you've got someone else looking after them, it's still challenging.
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A lot of people find it hard to work from co-working spaces. Programming requires you to think deeply and solve problems.
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Being interrupted or having noise in the background doesn’t work. When they’re young, you’ll hear them crying, or they could come into your office multiple times a day, which can be distracting.
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So, ideally, many people find they’re better off going somewhere else to work. But of course, it may work for you to work from home.
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If you are working from home, it’s important to have a dedicated workspace.
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Find a quiet spot in the house and make it yours. Make it boring and keep it as far away from the things your kids enjoy as you can.
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The most desired thing in a home office is a door. Have an office with a door that shuts.
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Train the kids not to open it unless someone is bleeding or the house is on fire.
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It’s important to have boundaries and a good psychological distinction between work and home.
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This goes for yourself, so you know when you're working and when you're at home. Set strict schedules.
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Get up early, have breakfast, get dressed in clothes you would wear to an office, and do it all before you start working.
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Start working when you planned and ensure you have a proper lunch break so your work and home time doesn’t bleed into each other.
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It's also important to set strong boundaries for your kids so they know how to deal with the situation. Have a solid goodbye routine before you start working.
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Just like if you were driving off, say your goodbyes, and get your cuddles and kisses before heading into your office.
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It creates a mental break for the kids between playing and working time. Finally, it’s also so important to have boundaries for other adults.
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If you have a stay-at-home partner, it's too easy for them to tempt you to do extra things at home when you should be working.
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I have a story I was told about someone who was working from home out of their living room. They just had a desk there, and their mother-in-law was rather offended when she came to visit.
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She saw them ignoring her, and it can be quite hard for people to see that you're there but not really available.
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Multitasking is another thing to be cautious of; basically, don’t.
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If you're not working, be present with your kids. I noticed if I'm preoccupied with work when I’m playing with my kids, they are needier and more prone to running into my office when they get upset.
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So, the more quality time I spend with them, the more secure they become knowing I'll be back later.
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Again, try and have those boundaries between your work and home life even if they occur in the same space.
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I hope this talk is one where I don’t have to worry if my kid makes noise.
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Participating in open source has a number of strategies that people use to try and balance their open source contributions.
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One major strategy is to team up your open source work with your day job, which is a great way of getting contributions without trying to find the time elsewhere in your day.
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Another is to just keep things small. I usually only make small patches or make sure that when I sit down, I've thought about what I'm going to do beforehand.
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That way I can just sit down and type it up quickly.
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The advice some people need to follow is to decide on your own priorities.
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If open source isn’t a high priority for you, just accept that and move on.
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Some people avoid doing anything where little people depend on something they’ve written until their kids are older.
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Others just gave up entirely, because the quick response needed and reliable hacking time just wasn’t possible after having kids.
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Participating in the community comes down to priorities, and it’s really important to define what's most important to you.
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Don’t try to change all the meetups or learn about all the things. Just focus on what’s most important.
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I'm from Christchurch, so I don't have a major problem since we've got one Ruby meetup a month.
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But I know in a city like Sydney, there can be various related events on many days of the month.
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Focusing on the ones that are important is essential.
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Timing for community events can be a big struggle, and often that leads people to drop them because they're not worth the time investment since it distracts from their nighttime routines with kids.
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So again, don’t bother unless you have to. It’s also valid to want to participate without having to physically go to events.
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Being remote gives you the built-in group to talk with, and you can also participate via mailing lists or Twitter.
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You don’t always have to physically go to things to participate in the community.
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Keeping on top of new things is essential, but don’t feel you have to know everything.
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It's great if you can incorporate learning into your job; that can help improve your stability as well.
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Resources people use for keeping up are often familiar to everyone—Twitter, blogs, conferences.
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One major resource was digest emails like Ruby Weekly and JavaScript Weekly.
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This way you can get curated lists of topics that are top items without looking at vast amounts of information.
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It’s also efficient to utilize commute time for learning—reading or listening to podcasts.
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Just know your priorities, be selective. You can’t keep on top of everything; pick the most important and popular topics to understand.
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Don’t try to learn something until you have to apply it in a real project. Don’t learn things you don’t need— you don’t have the time.
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Also remember, you have other things to do in life, so outsource and delegate your tasks.
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If you can afford it, have someone help with things you don't absolutely have to do, like childcare and cleaning.
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Keep time for family—make sure your home time is family time.
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Make some time for yourself too; sleep, exercise, and hobbies are important.
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Being a happy person makes you a better and more patient parent. Also, make time for your relationship.
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If you have a partner, prioritize date nights and nurture that relationship.
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Time management tip number one: don’t be afraid to say no.
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Extended leave around the time your kids are born varies widely; people take none at all up to four years.
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It's a very personal decision. Some people found that it worked well, while others didn’t.
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Some didn’t take any but wished that they had, while others found leaving work to be overwhelming.
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So if you feel like you want to try it, give it a shot, but be mindful that you may want to return to work later.
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Minding your mental health as a stay-at-home parent is really important.
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One person mentioned they sank into severe depression; it's brutally hard.
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This is the hardest thing I ever did. You can’t do it alone; you will need help.
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Men are especially bad at asking for help. Look after any full-time dad you know; they may not ask for your help.
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Count your supports, literally count them; if you could call someone to help with your kids in the evening.
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If you have fewer than five, you probably need more support.
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If you start to feel symptoms of mental illness, get help early. It's harder to fix later.
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So, what can everyone else do to help support programming parents? Why is this topic important?
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Companies have a responsibility to make the lives of parents easier. Having kids is a conscious decision for most.
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People usually know that having a kid will come with sacrifices. It’s nice to feel supported.
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Supporting programming parents is also essential for diversity, which means more than just gender or race.
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It also includes diversity of experience and the various life situations people face.
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When we reduce the pool of people who can participate in our community and workforce, we hurt our ability to hire.
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Ruby companies are always hiring, and we desperately need more programmers.
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Diversity of ideas also helps develop better software.
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Supporting programming parents is crucial as parenting is still disproportionately done by women.
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There has been a huge push in the Ruby community to get more women into programming and supporting programming parents is vital.
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These are pretty much things that help everyone out in the end, which is good for work/life balance.
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For example, companies should not push overtime on their employees.
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Recognize that people have a life outside of work. A family-friendly workplace is critical.
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It's great when you can drop everything, even at a crucial moment, to be there for your kids.
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Flexible hours matter a lot; programming doesn’t always need to happen from 9 to 5.
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Allow flexibility since babies and children don't always follow your schedule.
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Part-time work was a significant suggestion made. It can help many get back into the workforce.
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I would love to see more corporate part-time options available.
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I would like to go back to work part-time now that my son is two and a little more independent.
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That kind of work is harder to find, particularly in the U.S. where part-time work often doesn’t come with benefits.
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It’s much easier and more common to have part-time jobs in other regions.
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Many companies don't allow both parents to work part-time.
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So, now I work full-time while my husband stays home with the kids.
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Being at home doesn’t mean less output actually; many often find it hard to stay focused.
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Take advantage of the flexibility that comes with being a developer.
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Another suggestion companies can do to support programming parents is making professional development a part of the job.
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Incorporate learning new stuff as a significant part of your job.
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In summary, childcare at conferences is a significant need that will help retain employees.
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My wife's company provides daycare; mine doesn’t, but it’s a fantastic perk.
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If you have daycare at work, it makes it pretty hard to leave.
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You’ll need to consider arrangements, and that makes it difficult to leave.
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Childcare during conferences is important for keeping parents in the workforce.
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The community can also provide childcare at conferences to help support programming parents.
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Conferences should provide childcare, and meetups could do the same, especially during the day.
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Evening events are often when parents are busy putting kids to bed.
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Having a variety of events at different times during the day would allow for more participation.
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For those with partners who work, it can be hard to go to community activities.
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Parents often have to leave early, missing out on networking opportunities.
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Ask your local community if they’re offering activities accommodating parents.
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Meetups can sometimes become echo chambers, organizing around those who always attend.
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If organizing a meetup, be mindful of those who may not attend regularly.
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Perhaps programming parents should band together to sort out things that work better for them.
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The current offerings often seem tailored to child-free and wealthier individuals.
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I’d love to hear ideas and thoughts on what would work best for parents.
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In summary, make sure you know your priorities. It does get easier.
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But in the meantime, be kind to yourself and just do what works.
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Good luck!
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Does anybody have any questions for Amanda or suggestions for other parents?
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Just wait for the mic. There you go.
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Hi, I found it really interesting, and I agree with almost everything you said.
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One thing you mentioned at the beginning is that you can only have one top priority.
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I thought that was a bit of an oversimplification. It suggests a kind of binary situation.
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In practice, it’s more fluid. For instance, if work is busy for two weeks, it might be a priority.
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On weekends, priorities might shift back to the kids. I find that pattern works.
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So, it is an interesting point, and can help provide perspective.
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It's not always simple. You can't just say kids are the priority and ignore everything else.
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There can be financial implications as well. It's a balancing act.
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My question relates to the complexities of balancing variables.
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I find myself trying to solve all problems at once.
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It's tempting to think that if you work hard, it’ll all resolve.
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Is there a coding pattern that translates into parenting challenges?
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It might be more about with the child; they don't follow binary logic.
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Once they break the pattern, it's hard to remain resolute.
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Being analytical about it helps. It’s about knowing your top priority.
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Understanding the flexibility and support systems around it can create balance.
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What about your thoughts on proper remote work?
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Companies tend to prefer everyone in the same room.
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So while some extol the benefits, many companies seem to resist it.
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I think remote work can be handled well or very poorly.
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If handled badly, it can be isolating, especially for those balancing parenting.
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Conscious effort is required to make it work. Each participant needs to be engaged.
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A company needs to be genuinely interested in making it work.
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The isolation can be tough, sometimes even counterproductive.
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So, companies must address this; it’s not just a passive switch.
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The idea is to enable collaboration while considering challenges of parenthood.
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If it’s just attached as a work strategy, it might not work effectively.
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For parents managing kids at home, keeping an open communication seems vital.
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The approach can foster productivity but ultimately relies on collective effort.
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Thanks for the insights; these highlights add depth to community discussions.
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Would love to explore how each evolves individually— over time.
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Additionally, the perspective of parents in under-resourced roles bears consideration.
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Deeper engagement should represent all voices and experiences.
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If all dissenting voices could collaborate better, how might we adjust flexibility?
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It’ll be important to keep adjusting those touchpoints of community.
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Thank you, Amanda, for today; it really sparks discussions.
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Hopefully, we continue to explore these dynamics in future meetups.
